Registered: May 2016
Location: Palatka, FL
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There are a bunch of ways to breed. Only one way to the future.

1. We can breed the best to the best.
2. We can breed using frozen semen from 40 years ago.
3. We can line/family breed.
4. We can outcross within a breed.
5. We can cross breed between two breeds.
I am sure there are a few more ways someone has figured out.

The future depends on this. Culling your mistakes. With breeding comes a responsibility. With responsibility comes the truth and better hounds.

I saw a pedigree from Mr. Hall on another post of his dog "Big Iron" Very impressive.
I also saw a statement about the cattle industry and the success with proper breeding.
However they have standards for success. The success is determined on the scale and with a tape measure. The Bulls that don't produce are hamburger.

If we had a tangible way of determining Coon Hounds like the cattle industry does. But everyone has an opinion on how a dog sounds, how good it trails, how it hunts and how cold of a nose it has. If we had an honest measuring stick for all hounds. There would be a lot less hounds around.

I love the conversations about the independent hound. How they are trained, how they are bred. I want one, I don't want one.
Here is the independent dog I want and why it is independent. I want a dog that hunts and his hunting ability takes it away from the other hounds. Deeper into the swamp if needed, not further down the road. I want a dog that can take a track the other dogs can't smell or won't work. The dog taking that track will get away from other dogs. In other words. I want my hound with coon tracking/treeing abilities and those abilities will make that hound look independent. Because half the stuff being hunted won't be there at the end of a hard track in hard conditions.

Breeding and hunting experience is the combination to finding this type of hound. Not on a button your training system has.

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Traits to Traits breeding works best in all breeding.
It doesn't always work but no other way of breeding ever does either.
Measuring Traits is the complications

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Breeding and hunting experience is the combination to finding this type of hound. Not on a button your training system has.

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The consistent results from breeding no matter what method you use is not the problem.
CONSISTENT evaluation of the dogs by the breeder is the problem.
Hunt results are a good starting point, but nothing beats actually hunting with potential individuals to be mated.
Performance of treeing the most coon in the least amount of time and in the least amount of acreage in all weather conditions is what I personally look for.
With many others the traits of voice, looks or antisocial personality are of higher importance than ability.
JMO Ken Risley

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Love reading all the different theories and ideas about breeding dogs. I’m gonna touch on a different subject just for a second, the biggest issue for me is getting pups in hands of people that will actually hunt them and give them a true chance. People call wanting to buy a 6 week old pup and their so excited to get it home and play with it and they have big dreams for said pup.. Then I get a call when the pup is 6-10 months old wanting to know if I might be interested in buying the pup back. Pup hasn’t been fooled with, made a couple of bad trees, pup may trail too much to their liking etc…. People nowadays carry a pup to the woods a handful of times and they think they should have a coon dog. Hard to be a successful breeder without having help from true dog men!!!

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Love reading all the different theories and ideas about breeding dogs. I’m gonna touch on a different subject just for a second, the biggest issue for me is getting pups in hands of people that will actually hunt them and give them a true chance. People call wanting to buy a 6 week old pup and their so excited to get it home and play with it and they have big dreams for said pup.. Then I get a call when the pup is 6-10 months old wanting to know if I might be interested in buying the pup back. Pup hasn’t been fooled with, made a couple of bad trees, pup may trail too much to their liking etc…. People nowadays carry a pup to the woods a handful of times and they think they should have a coon dog. Hard to be a successful breeder without having help from true dog men!!!

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Mr. Webb, I agree. Back in the late 60's and 70's. I hunted my dogs pretty regular. I feel back then, even with hard hunting there were big some holes in the genetics of our hounds. However today. I think that has changed and any dog given a chance. Hunted on a regular basis and handled with confidence and discipline. Have a good chance of making a fair hound.

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