Registered: Jul 2016
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Now I’m at a loss with this one so let me hear your theories.
I have a 4yo bitch that’s bred great, in good health, NITECH $2000 won in PKC. Runs a straight track and looks good doing it, no back tracking and jacking around and has her coons. When you get her out of the kennel she is excited and rearing to go at the end of the leash.
When you get to where you’re cutting loose, if she’s alone, she goes bugeyed and AS SOON as you unsnap her she wheels around and loads back up. You get her out and cut her again and pop your leg with a leash and she reluctantly trots off, piddles around, might sit 50 yards away for 5 mins, then she will slowly go off and go hunting, get struck, and tree a coon.
Hunt her in a cast and she leaves hard, excitedly, and will get by herself.

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How long have you owned her? Is this something new- or always been like that?

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I'm waiting for answers. I have one just like that.

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You said when she’s alone . That’s your answer.

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Sounds like she was never hunter solo. Probably trained with an older dog, then put in the hunts. How is she in a cast? Independent? Or does she tend to back a lot?

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I’ve owned her about a month, she has some really good qualities but this quirkiness is hard to deal with.
She hunts hard in a cast, doesn’t back, and is mostly independent.

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It's been my experience that this type dog is very competitive...
When hunted alone it's lost.... it's waiting for competition, which ain't coming.
Hunting alone ain't her cup of tea.....
She shines in competition.
This is her hole.
Alone she'll be average.....in competition she's worth $......

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Dogwhisper may have it nailed down. If she’s a winner, then keep winning with her. You’ll forget about the quirks when you cash the checks, haha.

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Maybe in the past she got some sort of training with an E collar, maybe she was cut loose alone and corrected. Some dogs get it all wrong as to when or why they will get shocked.
I know of a couple that got messed up, it took months or in one case two years for the dog to forget about it and go back to normal.
One of these got shocked on the 2nd drop of the night, (electric fence). After that night she was great on the first drop, would flat go tree a coon on the first drop, then she would lock up and not go hunting after the first drop. You could load her up and move to a new place, it didn't matter, she was done until the next night.

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Took her tonight with a 5 month old, pup came back after 50 yards, she kept going and treed a coon.
She doesn’t need anything to take her hunting so I wonder if it is the competition aspect of it.
I only hunt one dog at a time so we will keep at it.

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
It's been my experience that this type dog is very competitive...
When hunted alone it's lost.... it's waiting for competition, which ain't coming.
Hunting alone ain't her cup of tea.....
She shines in competition.
This is her hole.
Alone she'll be average.....in competition she's worth $......

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You said when she’s alone . That’s your answer.

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Yes......I agree with this. Seen it another.
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Knew a dog that had that same quirk about 20 years ago. Didn’t matter what kind of dog was with, it would go hunting. But as soon as it was by itself wouldn’t do anything. I just figured it was never hunted by itself.

Also a female and good dog.

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Most likely she wasn't hunted alone before you got her and she's use to having company. I would hunt her a month strictly by herself NO COMPANY what so ever. DO NOT scold her harshly when she comes back just her walk a bit and send her on. From your description she's already been whupped for not hunting, try using a gentle hand to get her going by herself. If you start whupping on her for not hunting she'll associate being alone with getting whupped that's why she gets bug eyed. You should be able to tell in the first 10 nights or so whether she'll eventually hunt good by herself.

After a month slowly ease her back into hunting with something else on the ground.

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She’s not afraid to go hunting though, that’s the part that gets me.

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Sounds to me like She’s been forced to hunt alone and had a stick put on her for not hunting out and she finds her safe spot back in the box. Years ago when I hunted a lot for the public I saw SEVERAL females from a particular Bloodline that Would not hunt alone AND COULD NOT TAKE ANY RUFF CORRECTION. Drop something with them they leave like a rocket

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If she could talk, she could tell you some horror stories!!!

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Also seen this happen when a young dog was singled out during coyote whelping season.

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Im thinking she has lost her trust in humanity. I think someone corrected her by cutting her by herself on a deer and shocked her so much that she is traumatized from it. I think she must now learn to trust again.

Her competitive nature forces her to overcome her fear of the shock when turned in company.

Some folks have the ability to work through an issue such as this and some don't. Know your abilities in getting a dog to trust you. If You see a dog as a machine, you may as well move her as she will not respond to your liking. If you can easily gain the trust of foster children then you may have a shot at turning this dogs life around for she has faced someone's wrath much like a foster child has.

Love on her, set her up to succeed by turning her by herself only in honey holes,where she can get struck within 100 yards, or where a coon has crossed in front of you. Once she trusts that your not setting her up for an unfavorable training exercise, I think she will learn to trust that you are not gonna correct her. So leave the shocking collar off this dog for as long as it takes to get her to leave the truck immediately looking for the illustrious coon track and your issue just may get solved.

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Also seen this happen when a young dog was singled out during coyote whelping season.

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Im thinking she has lost her trust in humanity. I think someone corrected her by cutting her by herself on a deer and shocked her so much that she is traumatized from it. I think she must now learn to trust again.

Her competitive nature forces her to overcome her fear of the shock when turned in company.

Some folks have the ability to work through an issue such as this and some don't. Know your abilities in getting a dog to trust you. If You see a dog as a machine, you may as well move her as she will not respond to your liking. If you can easily gain the trust of foster children then you may have a shot at turning this dogs life around for she has faced someone's wrath much like a foster child has.

Love on her, set her up to succeed by turning her by herself only in honey holes,where she can get struck within 100 yards, or where a coon has crossed in front of you. Once she trusts that your not setting her up for an unfavorable training exercise, I think she will learn to trust that you are not gonna correct her. So leave the shocking collar off this dog for as long as it takes to get her to leave the truck immediately looking for the illustrious coon track and your issue just may get solved.

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
Im thinking she has lost her trust in humanity. I think someone corrected her by cutting her by herself on a deer and shocked her so much that she is traumatized from it. I think she must now learn to trust again.

Her competitive nature forces her to overcome her fear of the shock when turned in company.

Some folks have the ability to work through an issue such as this and some don't. Know your abilities in getting a dog to trust you. If You see a dog as a machine, you may as well move her as she will not respond to your liking. If you can easily gain the trust of foster children then you may have a shot at turning this dogs life around for she has faced someone's wrath much like a foster child has.

Love on her, set her up to succeed by turning her by herself only in honey holes,where she can get struck within 100 yards, or where a coon has crossed in front of you. Once she trusts that your not setting her up for an unfavorable training exercise, I think she will learn to trust that you are not gonna correct her. So leave the shocking collar off this dog for as long as it takes to get her to leave the truck immediately looking for the illustrious coon track and your issue just may get solved.

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