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It is getting where there is just not enough bench show judges to go around why I don't know. They put in place the hunt director format to address the shortage of moh. It's almost impossible down here to grand show ch a dog down here having to show under different judges.



What y'all think.


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I think a lot of it is political. For example I participated in a rqe in Georgia when a particular gentleman walked up. Within minutes of his arrival others began to leave and one fellow told me I just wasted my money on entering my dog. Sure enough that man wins overall, and it sure wasn’t because of the dog he was handling. On the other side of it as a judge myself, it really isn’t worth the headache to listen to people whine and cry when they don’t win. Not to mention the mountain of paperwork that has to be done. I’m sure others will have different opinions on this but that’s my 2 cent worth

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Dont have shows then. People will either step up or do without.

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I myself enjoy doing shows .And im good at it too.

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Here in NewYork clubs have a hard time getting judges for their shows also. People have told me that when they go to the UKC Web site the phone numbers are wrong or if they are lucky enough to get somebody to answer the person doesn't want to judge a show anymore. I think UKC should send out a paper to all their judges and have them update their phone number and address and say if they want to be a judge or not. I know some people have died and their name is still on the list. I did bring this up to the head of UKC two years ago at Autumn Oaks but I felt like I was wasting my time talking to her. And has a judge I to have had people complain afterwards about how they should of won and not the person that did. Now days there is getting to be to much complaining and drama and then everybody wonders why nobody comes to the shows and hunts. How to you get people to come or get kids involved when you have people that are taking the fun out of it. I to have just about given up on the shows and hunts because of all that. Been thinking of getting rid of the hounds and sending back my card and not being a judge.

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Hans Wagner argued with the leaders back then if a dog did not win a night hunt it should not be benched now look what we have in the ring they are not coonhounds a different world plus the bending the rules and cheating it is not worth my time real dogs real trees thanks tim

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As has been noted, the number of active show judges has declined in recent years. Sharrison is correct, as to the number of deceased judges, or individuals who do not desire to do judging. But, they are still listed on the offical UKC list for judges. I brought this up to the UKC a few years ago, and only got the talking to a wall treatment. I do not have an answer for you, but know judges are in short supply. I have traveled 2 to 3 hours one way numerous times this to cover shows for clubs, because they had no one to cover the shows. Basically, maybe some new blood needs to step up on the club levels???

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I personally love to show. We still do have a fair amount of them around here. As far as not being coonhounds when they get showed. I will put any of my dogs that I show in the timber any night. Now my GrCh that we showed at the world doesn't have a hunt title but make no mistake she is all coondog.

I think since they allowed hunt directors we have less moh period. But I have no room to talk I took my test 10 or 12 years ago did 2 of my 3 hunts never finished it. I need to get off my backside and do it again so I can help our local clubs out.

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Oh my goodness, you don't have fewer MOH's because of Hunt Directors. You have Hunt Directors because of fewer MOH's. The Hunt Director format came about because clubs could not get an MOH. Now Tarbaby is asking for a solution for the lack of Bench Show Judges. Around here they just don't have a bench show. The panel is the solution for a hunt. Maybe a panel would work for a bench show. The Hunt Director could pick any 3 guys to form a panel to judge the show. They wouldn't have to have a license.

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Oh my goodness, you don't have fewer MOH's because of Hunt Directors. You have Hunt Directors because of fewer MOH's. The Hunt Director format came about because clubs could not get an MOH. Now Tarbaby is asking for a solution for the lack of Bench Show Judges. Around here they just don't have a bench show. The panel is the solution for a hunt. Maybe a panel would work for a bench show. The Hunt Director could pick any 3 guys to form a panel to judge the show. They wouldn't have to have a license.

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Or you could charge the bench show entries an extra $10 each and pay your bench show judge. Surely more people would get a bench show license if they could get paid for judgeing the bench show.

Can you just get a bench show license without getting a MOH license? Can you have a licensed bench show judge for the show but a hunt director for the hunt? Maybe some bench show judges don't like to sit there all night. Tarbaby, surely with that brilliant mind of yours, you can come up with a solution. I can't believe that you want UKC to solve all of your problems. If you will just come up with a workable solution then I am sure that they would implement it. But if you don't have a solution then they probably don't either.

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It is getting where there is just not enough bench show judges to go around why I don't know. Tar

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Tarbaby, have you asked your fellow bench show people down there why they don't get a license? Have you asked the ones with a license why they don't want to judge? I would try to explain to them that if they are interested in having bench shows then they will have to take turns judgeing. We have the same problem with guides. Everybody wants to hunt but no one wants to guide. At some point they have to realize that without guides they can't hunt. Maybe you need to impress this upon your bench show people.

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Richard we are ok down here I do most of them. But I been getting calls from 4 or 5 hrs away. You use up what they give you in gas. Problem is we are loosing judges faster than we can replace them. The younger ones don't want to do it and the older ones being how they don't hunt they just stopped showing up. I don't know we just got to battle through it I guess.



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....But I been getting calls from 4 or 5 hrs away....Tar

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Tarbaby, they just like to see your smiling face. They know that your presence adds prestige to an event.

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I am probly the last on the list they call lol. I am honery I like at least one bluetick in a all walker dog show I pet him and look at him for a long long time before I make my decision lol. You should hear the grumbling lol.



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Oh my goodness, see you add a little excitement. I like it when the judge gets them back off the bench and "gaits" them again like it was a conformation show. It makes the handlers work for it and makes the judge look like he really knows what he is doing. Showing dogs is way too easy. Judges should make the handlers work more. Make them get the dogs down and then set them up again.

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You should see their eyes when you pick the bench that don't have a dog on it lol.



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Or you could charge the bench show entries an extra $10 each and pay your bench show judge. Surely more people would get a bench show license if they could get paid for judgeing the bench show.

Can you just get a bench show license without getting a MOH license? Can you have a licensed bench show judge for the show but a hunt director for the hunt? Maybe some bench show judges don't like to sit there all night. Tarbaby, surely with that brilliant mind of yours, you can come up with a solution. I can't believe that you want UKC to solve all of your problems. If you will just come up with a workable solution then I am sure that they would implement it. But if you don't have a solution then they probably don't either.

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There are lots of bench show judges that aren't MOH. Yes you can use a bench show judge and a hunt director. Around here if I get a bench show judge then feed them for free and pay their hunt entry if they are hunting.
As far as the not getting more bench show judges we have quite a few around here. I imagine the shortage has to do with some not wanting to deal a few of the bench show people. A few bad apples can spoil the pie.

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I have been around the hunts since the mid 1960's but I didn't attend any hunts for close to 20 years. I was at a World Hunt for another KC in 2013.

I was shocked when I saw people leading their dogs with "show leashes" and prancing them around like the Westminster Dog Show. The majority of the dogs had never seen the woods at night.

I was President of this organization for a few years. Before any of our major hunts, my phone would constantly ring due to people wanting to know who the judge(s) were going to be. If "so and so" was the judge, they weren't going to come to the show.

It is such a political process now.

To YadkinTar's point, we had lots of problems with getting judges for the smaller, monthly shows with the requirement of having wins under more than one judge.

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Bob me and Brian Roberts are the last two down here. I like to show also just finished mine in to grchntch. When you need to drive 2 or 3 hrs for a different judge it's almost not worth it.



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I could very easily be wrong but I know around here clubs dont even try to get moh now because they can just do hunt directors instead of even asking a moh if he is available.

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Believe me when I say I am an old doggie that's old school that's been at this game a long time. We don't need baby sitters at the club house anymore !! You got two other kc's that do it without baby sitters and they have less problems than we do.



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To me it is that the club members don't want any responsibility and won't volunteer there time to help out the club, or to all the people that like to show, they won't become a judge because they want to show all the time, if more would take turns judging at different clubs then there would be more clubs having shows, It's the same in hunting if more members or people would take up M/H or Hunt Director then everybody would get a chance to hunt at there local club. I can remember when all casts had to have a non hunting judge, club members back then had to agree to judge a cast before they could hunt. With the mindset of todays hunters and club members you would not have any hunts because most only show up to show or hunt, that's why clubs are low on members most are out for what's (best for them) not what's best for our sport.

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