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Rutnstrut
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Is there a way to get your dog more accurate on layup coon?

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No, it's something they are either good at or they aren't.

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Re: Layups

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Is there a way to get your dog more accurate on layup coon?
If your dog is not accurate, he's not treeing layups. He's slick treeing.

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Old Timers say it can be done...

i trained one the way it was described to me,he turned out to be a pretty good at treeing lay ups.But his bloodline was known for it,so not sure if he did it naturally,or if it was the way he was trained.........

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You cant train a dog to tree layups. Its within their ability or it's not. Many times a person believes they have a layup dog but don't but they will sure tell you they do. I believe a true layup dog can scent a coon that has been laid up for some time that other dogs cant smell or there isn't enuff scent to stimulate the average dog. They catch the downwind scent of the coon and have the uncanny ability to locate the correct tree whereas others locate in the general location or a few trees off. I have had a couple of dogs that would wind and wind and circle and stand on their hind legs in the area that just cant quite figure it out. They otherwise were good solid accurate dogs but just didn't have the layup knack. They are all gonna miss sometime as they are scent driven and conditions and circumstances vary, but when you get a good layup (which you will know when you hunt them with another good dog and he cant smell the coon) you certainly enjoy the ability they have.

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Shadinc that is the some good advice and Doug R I believe what you said is true because I have had a dog like you are talking about out of Russ Downing’s Weasel and a Spanky female that treed multiple times with good dogs standing around and he would almost always have a coon

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I have one now that trees layups. Sometimes she'll go out a few hundred yards without barking and stop. (Looking at Garmin) Stay in a small area for a few minutes, locate and go into a chop. She's been doing this since she's 8 months old. She is also extremely accurate.

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those weren't good dogs if they were standing around. just saying.

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those weren't good dogs if they were standing around. just saying.



I believe what M Mueller was saying his dog would tree and other dogs that were considered good dogs meaning they had proven they could run and tree their own would come in to back his dog and not tree due to lack of track or scent up a tree. I would rather have a dog independent enough not to just tree cause another dog showed tree than to be a me-tooing type dog, we have all seen those. I know exactly what he is saying.

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I have one now that trees layups. Sometimes she'll go out a few hundred yards without barking and stop. (Looking at Garmin) Stay in a small area for a few minutes, locate and go into a chop. She's been doing this since she's 8 months old. She is also extremely accurate.


I have seen this also where a dog was silent, comes across a track then tree. The test would be 1. Is she an open track dog that just occasionally does what you say. 2. Have you run her with another finished dog that cant smell the coon and doesn't tree when she does this and she has a coon. An accurate dog as you describe her will usually check and sometimes recheck then settle.

I have had wide open track dogs that all of a sudden blow up on a tree where you know they surprised a coon and it popped right up in front of them.

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Re: Layup

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I have seen this also where a dog was silent, comes across a track then tree. The test would be 1. Is she an open track dog that just occasionally does what you say. 2. Have you run her with another finished dog that cant smell the coon and doesn't tree when she does this and she has a coon. An accurate dog as you describe her will usually check and sometimes recheck then settle.

I have had wide open track dogs that all of a sudden blow up on a tree where you know they surprised a coon and it popped right up in front of them.

She is not silent. She has trailed coons and she has run them red hot. She locates and settles much faster when she trails one.

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This dog iam talking about wasn't a good track dog because he hardly ever put his nose to the ground, ran with headup opened when he smelled coon hear and there then fell treed, also these were in nite ch,grand nite and RQE casts

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Re: Layup

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I have seen this also where a dog was silent, comes across a track then tree. The test would be 1. Is she an open track dog that just occasionally does what you say. 2. Have you run her with another finished dog that cant smell the coon and doesn't tree when she does this and she has a coon. An accurate dog as you describe her will usually check and sometimes recheck then settle.

I have had wide open track dogs that all of a sudden blow up on a tree where you know they surprised a coon and it popped right up in front of them.



A dog that consistently trees true layups will have coons in the first few forks of large trees. From my experience coons that are popped up will be in small trees or crawl to the top. It doesn't take much of a nose to tree a layup. The wind is coming directly off of the coon so its hot. It does take a lot of brains to get it right. Most dogs will tree a few trees over or just be running around treeing up in the air. I always loved a true layup dog. I have had two that were good at it. The first dog I had that would tree a coon and the one that I have now.

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i have watched both dogs i have now slow down and go to checking and smell every tree till they find the one the coon is in and fall treed on it . coon would be curled up asleep sometimes. when i see them start coloring in a small area on the garmin most of the time they are tree sniffing .lol

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I thought mine was treeing layups for a while but then I realized he was actually ambushing those coons...

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