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Why do most stud dog owners not guarantee at least 4 pup litters or you get another breeding like in years past????

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I guarantee 3 live pups born.
I give a 12 month guarantee on Any pup sold from my kennel to suit you in Every way or bring it back Healthy with all Papers in order.

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Maybe because it isn't the stud dog owners fault if you bring your female late or if she is incapable of having/raising more than 4 pups.

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Maybe because it isn't the stud dog owners fault if you bring your female late or if she is incapable of having/raising more than 4 pups.

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That's exactly what I thought thanks Richard and Mhardy.
Tim not many out there like you anymore!!!

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That's exactly what I thought thanks Richard and Mhardy.
Tim not many out there like you anymore!!!

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Maybe because it isn't the stud dog owners fault if you bring your female late or if she is incapable of having/raising more than 4 pups.

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Almost all stud owners will give you a repeat breeding if your female doesn't take. If your female has one pup, that should cover the stud fee.

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Thank you joey I agree 100%.

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Almost all stud owners will give you a repeat breeding if your female doesn't take. If your female has one pup, that should cover the stud fee.

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What is it? ........
First off, it isn't a business to me. Do you really think that a stud owner makes any money?

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Honor, dignity, trust, respect that's what its really about.

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Oh my goodness, and here I thought that it was just a hobby, a way to enjoy yourself and have some fun. Y'all are trying to turn it into a business with some awfully lofty ideals.

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I definitely don't use coonhunting for a business just want to get what I pay for thanks for your input.

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You pay to have your female bred and that is what you get. That is why they call it a "stud fee". It isn't a "more than 3 puppy fee". It is up to the stud owner to make sure his stud is fertile and he breeds your female. That is his resposibility.
It is up to the female owner to get her there at the right time, make sure she is capable of having pups, make sure she doesn't get an infection and that she doesn't smother them.

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You pay to have your female bred and that is what you get. That is why they call it a "stud fee". It isn't a "more than 3 puppy fee". It is up to the stud owner to make sure his stud is fertile and he breeds your female. That is his resposibility.
It is up to the female owner to get her there at the right time, make sure she is capable of having pups, make sure she doesn't get an infection and that she doesn't smother them.

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KJO I think the Stud Dog Business if you want to call it that has changed like everything else over the years. In the old days when some titles were won and those that chose to enter the Stud Game/Business decided to market their dogs. They sat down and came up with marketing plan and along with their titles hoped to attract some business. Whether a man was honest or dishonest determined if they would live up to their marketing plan or not. Back then the dishonest ones were only pointed out on a monthly basis in the magazines. Today they are pointed out hourly of face book and other social media on the internet.

I have seen them advertised to guarantee so many live pups. I have seen pups advertised to suit the owners at a certain age or full refund. Have seen the stud owners offer money for putting a title on dogs out of their stock.

You have honest and dishonest men coming up with these plans. The honest man is sincere and wants to do the right thing. Easy for him to back up his marketing plan.

Today it is a different world out there. I don't think many people open up a magazine and see a dog they haven't heard about somewhere on social media. Social media also give you access to information about pups from those dogs. I can go to one KC website and if the Sire is SS see the results of his pups in the hunts for the past 3 years. So with the facts out there, the marketing has changed for the stud owners. I think the owners of the Dams are also more in tune to what line they want to breed so it makes it easier for them to zero in on a dog. You talk about honesty and I am with you every step of the way on that. I think having an open discussion with the man who owns the dog you plan on breeding to is the first step. Then you and him can work out an agreement on what your think is fair. You would be surprised how many outstanding male dogs there are out there getting bred for free or very little money. If the owner of the hound you choose to breed to is all about the money and nothing else. Then it is your decision to look elsewhere. All these stud dog owners in todays world want their dogs bred to good females.

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Thanks Tim, I did leave out a few of stud owners responsibilities. Boy there sure are a lot of them.
But I don't like having the last word. I like to see/read the rebuttals. If no one posted back then it would sure be boring.
And I also agree with Mr Conley (even though I hate to agree with anyone). Having a Stud Dog used to be a business but that has changed. Remember when Rat Attack was a Stud and bred a female every other day for 3 or 4 years? They took in $1,000 a week. But the times have changed.

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Thanks for all the info. this is really good advice, wish that I would have done this three years ago going through a bad experience with a stud fee and it still isn't finished.

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I disagree 1 pup will not cover stud fee if u have to drive very far to breed,pay stud fee,reg. Pup worm and vaconate pup,plus feed...

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There y'all go figuring "costs" in. If you want a pup then you have 2 choices. Raise a litter or just buy one. If you just buy one then you have the cost of feeding it, worming it and traveling to pick it up. If you are worried about the cost you are much better off buying a started dog that someone else has already raised, trained, fed, wormed and vaccinated. Sit down and figure out how much money you have spent on a started dog sometime. If you are worried about the cost then you need to get a new hobby because coonhunting is very expensive.
Mr KJO, I am sorry that you had a bad experience with a stud fee/litter of pups. But that happens in life. You can't make money on everything you do. Sometimes you do and sometimes you don't. There are very few stud owners that will guarantee that you will make money on a litter of pups. Most will only guarantee to get your female bred.

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