2 part question.....How old of a track ( in Time ) can a dog run. Meaning I see a coon crossing the rd get home get the dog go back to the track and cast dog.
Another situation see a what looks like a fresh track cot dog loose. HOW OLD OF A TRACK CAN A DOG RUN?
Second Part......... dog opens on track and moving it fair will he switch from that track he started to another fresher track if he crosses it.
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H.L. people are going to have fun with this one lol. The first part I believe is easy, depends on how good of nose/brains the dog has. The second part is going to be speculation. Maybe easy in some parts of the country where coon are thinner. Up here in Michigan where I live I have seen up to 15 coon sitting in trees around a 60 acre corn field. Do I believe a dog could start one track and cross another and take that one 100% i believe. However only the dog and the coon probably know the answer. We as hunters can only speculate what is happening.
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The switching tracks always has to be a possibility. I have seen dogs switch tracks enough to know it does happen. I have turned out on a coon I saw traveling down a creek bank and seen it cut right and the dogs go left and end up with a coon. I have seen them switch from a deer to a coon. I have seen our deer dogs trailing jump deer that probably wasn't the one they were trailing. There is no place on a scorecard to minus one for switching tracks, so it is a mute point with me.
I use to have a buddy that would spot a coon track on a road we were traveling. He was disappointed a lot of times trying to get his dog to run it. I don't put much stock in finding a coon track and trying to run it.
Far as how long before a coon track is cold? Of course it depends on the dog but I would say a couple hours. Then that depends on moisture on the ground, humidity, wind and temperature.
Toney, I am starting to think HL might be a trouble maker. LOL What you think?
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HL you have to promise one thing if your going to ask these questions? You can't take any of the responses personally and none of them too serious. I say that because I see your starting to enjoy this board. I also have talked with you for probably 8 years now and I have a lot of respect for you and know you are serious with your questions. Thing is. People are not always serious with their answers and we all like to have fun. If something off base is said by anyone. Please don't take it personal. God Bless and have fun with your questions.
I started to answer your first post then looked at your second one and sat back and thought for a moment and decided not to post anything. Yes been real cold up here and raining every night so with nothing to do I have been on the board WAY to much. Thanks for our friendship talk later. HOW BOUT THAT B PUPPY.
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I'm like everyone else, just snowed here and board so just having little fun and maybe thinking to hard for an old man LOL. And not making fun or light of any ones questions. Well maybe to get some one going and that part was not meant to make fun of your Post H.L. I like seeing how other coon hunters respond to questions and their opinions. LOL I think Bruce might be the trouble maker
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I talked in length with a friend who has a very large training facility yesterday about some training methods that he is using which are a little different that we used in the past, Which brings up this thought maybe some time we get marred down in our way of doing thing which may hold us back from progressing in the way we are training our dogs and in my way of thinking we are really training our dogs every time we take then out of the kennel. meaning if you let me take your dog out of the truck dog box at least 7 times that are different than you do I think he will be confused when you go to let him out.JUST MY OPINION
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Sorry H.L. first part of question , using the theory of nose and brains. Kinda like big game dogs some will be colder nosed dogs and can take an older track however they still have to have the brains or maybe maturity to work that track until it warms up.
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Tar, I was just trying to warn him about guys like you and me. LOL
I say white and you say black. You say go and I say stop. Then Richard chimes in and we don't know if we are coming or going. LOL
HL I came out of the woods yesterday excited that the water was finally about down. Well last night it rained harder here than it did durning the Hurricane last year. We are now flooded again. LOL
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Bruce me and you debate but we really are on the same page we just want a coondog. Richard lol I don't know what we would do without him I hope he kicks all of thems butts at the winter classic I am rooting for him.
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How old of a track? I think some dogs will adapt over time according to the coon population. I brought a gyp with me from Arkansas to TX when I moved down there. We had a lot thicker coon where I moved her from. She was not what you would call a cold nosed dog but she didn't have to be. The place I hunted her in TX had very thin coon. She learned over the first 6 months to hunt deeper and started running a lot colder tracks. That being said I don't think they will, or can run a track near as old as some like to think. Its also sometimes hard to tell what is really a cold track and what is not. I have seen dogs move a fairly old track with some speed and the same dogs run like its cold and I seen the coon not far in front of them? Conditions play a huge role in it that I don't completely understand.
Will they swap tracks? I would think they wouldn't be any different than a rabbit dog. Some will and some will not.
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Around here a dog either better have very very cold nose or you better have a feeder out or the dog will go a MILE to strike on a regular nightly basis most of the time. Even at that, some nights the dog will still strike half a mile or 3/4 of a mile away. Boars are in rut. The other night the dogs struck at 3/4 of a mile and then ran 3/4 of a mile. Big boar coon. And my English female is very cold nosed.
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So Saturday night tracking conditions here must have been about perfect. My male run and treed a coon on a big oak den. And 1 1/2 to 2 hours later my female ran same track to the same den, same coon sitting out on the same limb. I've never seen her dog track before, but couldve been a first. But I've seen her do similar to this before. Young dog struck a track my female was 600 deeper left handed a little. Both were on the same track. But even though I know she could smell the other dog, she had to finish the track. She's indifferent about what other dogs are doing. She won't tree just because other dogs are. If she doesn't have a track she won't tree.
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What about this ? Have you ever seen a coon, come down out of a tree, and take off, then 10, or 15 minutes, later the dogs come in, and you hunt them past the tree, and they never strike or even act like they smell a coon? I've seen it twice. Once 30 years ago, and then again 2 weeks ago.
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I saw a coon cross a road one night it had been in a dumpster and turned loose right on top of it and never got a bark on it, we saw the coon about 50 yards in the woods up a tree dogs went 500 yards and struck and ran it back to road and could not pick it up from there and they were pretty good dogs back then.
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