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Reuben
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Two World Hunt Winner Questions

Question 1.

What type of coon dog does it take to win a world hunt in thick coon?

Question 2.

What type of coon dog does it take to win a world hunt in thin coon?

would like all theories and ideas and past experiences...but lets leave out the luck part...we are talking about dogs that are world class coon dogs...the kind that you wouldn't bet against...

I have my theories but want to hear from everyone...

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Kler kry made a comment that I believe is spot on.

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That's simple!!

I've never owned a world class hound. I may never own a world class hound. I've never hunted above kentucky. I've never hunted in thick coons. But I do hunt my dogs as best I can as much as I can. With all that being said. The secret to winning more hunts then you loose is have a dog that will go hunting in any terrain or weather condition. Strike when he smells a coon locate when he finds the tree and stay there till you get there. LEAVE TRASH ALONE AND BE BY HIMSELF MORE THAN WITH COMPANY. Repeate this process and be fast about doing it. The rest is all luck.

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Alone isn't really necessary, it helps but a good track dog is what you have to have and they can't out hunt their mouth.

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I'm not talking about a dog that goes 900 yards to get by himself. But I'm talking about 1 that goes hunting on his own and doesn't care if anything comes with him. 1 that will check before he covers another dog. Would be nice to find 1 with enough brains to use his nose hunt the wind and tree lay up coons. But their isn't perfect people so their won't be a perfect dog. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it

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I believe that's a good opinion

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#1. Automatic strike dog with a hot nose that can cover quick & tree coon also.
#2. An honest, wide hunting dog with no reverse, a colder nose and extreme accuracy.

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Well read the play by play and then look at what you wrote.

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Geez rob in all reality the play by play was only 30 minutes long after that🙄

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Sambo Trees them Coons the others leave behind he knows how to pick the right tree he trees them lay Ups in the winter time.He is very intelligent and knows how to use his brain.He knows how to find them Coon in a woods section hes a lot like his Grand Dad Bad Habit.He don't draw much minus.

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Now that part I like a good layup dog will eat these dogs alive nowadays it is a lost trait for sure he sounds like a sure nuff good dog congrats to the owners.

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Sambo Trees them Coons the others leave behind he knows how to pick the right tree he trees them lay Ups in the winter time.He is very intelligent and knows how to use his brain.He knows how to find them Coon in a woods section hes a lot like his Grand Dad Bad Habit.He don't draw much minus.


I agree Mike, the Bad Habit genes are coming out in him. His ole grand Dad was hard to beat anywhere, in any condition.

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A hound that covers ground and has no reverse that always gets treed with mr coon is my answer to both questions. " And the money to run him up and down the road cause ya cnt win if you not there".

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Need one that will tree any style of coon and has to be fast and accurate. I've been blessed to hunt with 4 world champion's on a regular basis and they had every few bad nights.

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quote:
Originally posted by H.W. Moore
#1. Automatic strike dog with a hot nose that can cover quick & tree coon also.
#2. An honest, wide hunting dog with no reverse, a colder nose and extreme accuracy.



I agree with this logic even though there are many good comments...

years ago many would say there are many dogs that trail but are weak in treeing...seems I see more comments that say there are many dogs that tree but do not track very well...time has a way of changing things

#1. Automatic strike dog with a hot nose that can cover quick & tree coon also.

it seems to me that Mr. Moores first answer for winning in thick coon is a hot nosed dog that can cover quick and tree coon right away...I see many pedigrees with mostly Gr. N. ch. and nite champions stacked up close in the pedigrees of many pups sold...because I do not coon hunt I will not offer my theories on most of what I am going to say but will ask few questions and hopefully someone can off there reasons through experience and/or theories as they see it...

so is it possible that in thick coon these dogs move out quickly and pass up good tracks and bam they come treed right away on a smoking hot track and tree...so this wouldn't explain why these dogs would not do well in thin coon? and with many of these dogs having many grand nite ch. and nite champs stacked in the first 3 generations in the pedigree produce a higher percentage of more of the same?

#2. An honest, wide hunting dog with no reverse, a colder nose and extreme accuracy. [/B][/QUOTE]

it is very possible that Sambo is a once in a lifetime dog and with fresh blood (hybrid vigor) by being a crossbred, could this enhance Sambos ability in some way?

he probably has the ability to work with a hot nose and colder nose and knows where to look for a coon to win...it is possible that he hunts well enough to beat the competition because of his competitiveness and brain power...

is it possible that the better than average colder nosed dog not be able to compete with the faster hot nosed dogs day in and day out?

I do realize that to win one must be on top of their game and having a good dog to boot to possibly win now and then...and some luck to go along with it...so I can see where it can be more about winning above anything else for many...

usually my dogs will strike a hog in five minutes because there are many pigs...sometimes it takes 15 minutes or 20 minutes because they have to range out further...but I really welcome the few times that it takes them quite a bit longer just so I can know they are well rounded hunting dogs...

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Don't agree

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A hound that is very intelligent covers a lot of excuses like weather, terrain , location, dusty,muddy. An intelligent hound can make the adjustments necessary.

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Ding ding ding we have a winner! An intelligent hound is the answer! For both! Coon sense! This hot nose cold nose stuff is nonsense in my opinion.

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Only dog I ever saw that couldn't smell was a bird dog that had distemper and was treated and saved ,that dude couldn't smell a lick . Every hound I've ever seen could smell fine some just don't have sense enough to move it forward.

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Agreed 100% there is less than 3% difference between a bloodhound nose and a shepherds! The difference is how quickly their mind adjusts! And how willing they are to please their master.

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Nose and trailing ability are separate traits.

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Agreed 100% there is less than 3% difference between a bloodhound nose and a shepherds! The difference is how quickly their mind adjusts! And how willing they are to please their master.


That's what I'm talking about!!!!

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And there is a difference between trailing and the ability to RUN any kind of track which is where intelligence comes in.

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many people agree that there isn't much difference is the dogs ability to smell...the difference has move to do with genetics which includes the brain...

and like it has been said before...the difference between an above average hunting dog and a once in a lifetime dog is the levels brain power and I agree with that...

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A good coon hound

Brains, ability, desire. to be able to take a track as they come, move it out and tree with accuracy. And consistent at it. Independence doesn't hurt either.

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