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There is a reason why some of us folks want more motor independent layup acuret big mouth tree dog's rapt up in a blue hided hound.
Let me lay this out for you that are concerned about this subject.i think us folks that like the blue tick hound should be able to make crosses on hounds that better suit us for what we like Without having to swap breed's. I feel there is several blue dog breeder's and hunters that have a goal of winning the world hunt. My friend if you think you can win the bigger hunts with a hound that just pitter patters his way threw the timber slobbering all over the ground looking up several trees before he finally decides he got the fur you are bad wrong. If you think that there may be a shortage of these kinda hounds what I would say moast people call a pleasure hound don't worry there will never be a shortage in the blue dogs breed of these type of hounds when there is large sums of money on the line you got to have a hound that can get up on the wheel and dominate And motor independent layup acuret tree dog's is what it takes.

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AGREED

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Hard to say this any better!!!!

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I don't know how many statement iv herd about slick treeing walkers . I tell you im a blue dog man threw and threw I know there is alot of slick treeing walkers out there but you go to these big PKC hunt's in the winter time and you will find some walker dogs that will get up on the wheel and beat you by treeing Coons they will put it on you the worst dog I ever saw about slick treeing was a blue dog utchman bang up i hunted him 31 nights and never seen him under a coon the last night I turned him loose he made 11 slick trees he was retarded win I followed him . I heard​ another statement​ he said he thought the faster a hound was the more they will tree slick. How does people come up with this stuff

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I see exactly what you're saying with the slick treeing, again I don't hit the hunts much at all so I don't see it in that stage much. But I've hunted with several walkers, a handful of English and 1 bluetick that happened to be about the worst I ever seen for slicks. Therefore I don't have a thing against walkers and have owned a couple and pleasure hunt with a friend that hunts walkers fairly regular with no complaints. After reading sververal comments I understand a little better what folks mean by motor and I'll agree with most I want a dog that stays busy moves quick and gets a coon at the end, what I won't agree speaking just for me and my personal preference is a dog that hauls freight til it's treed somewhere alone. Again I pleasure hunt and walking 5 miles to 1 tree in the mountains isn't a pleasure. After reading the motor comments I'm goin to pay more attention to my avg speed on my dogs because I honestly don't know what they're getting but I feel that they are moving at a good pace most times. I feel like if anybody's speed is a factor it's mine walking to my dog once it's treed usually they get it done in short order and have to wait for me to poke along to them which adds time to my hunts significantly. I've owned 1 dog that flat get gone when nothing was moving and he was deadly accurate but some nights I just didn't care at all to turn him loose. I don't see where motor would cause a higher percent of slicks but I haven't personally experienced that where that gentleman may have so I can't say for sure.

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....... i hunted him 31 nights and never seen him under a coon the last night I turned him loose he made 11 slick trees he was retarded win I followed him.........

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I tell you it wasn't any fun if it wasn't for a young bitch I was hunting with him treeing some coos while we was out there I wouldn't of hunted the sucker as much as I did the wife wouldn't let me leave that big mouth sucker at the house he would keep her awake I tried lol had to go get him one night

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So what happened??? Did you give up on him??? What, if anything, were you doing to stop all that slick treeing??? I know that certain dogs can get into the habit of slick treeing pretty quick. Sometimes when they do it that bad you actually have a chance of stopping it, because the dog is just grabbing trees just to grab one. He thinks he's making you happy. He just don't get the rest of it {put a coon in the tree.} The ones I have never seen stop are the ones that started not so young and do it on occasion only.

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I was hunting him and a young dog for the owner and when I got the young dog to treeing Coons I sent them back to owner bang up was 3 years old at time and I talked with man that started him said that was just him he told me he would tree and he would go to him and he would be slick and he would walk off and leave him there said he tried different things and couldn't get him figured out .Im not gonna waste my time on something like that

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I'm kinda with you msinc. 31 hunts to keep torturing myself is a way farther than I could have gone. Drummerblue2, you have way thicker skin than I do, lol. I believe some of us would like to have the type of hound mentioned here in the first post but a few things have to be considered when having a hound like that. One is terrain, then age of the hunter and the location of hunts being held. Did anyone ever wonder why some of the major hunts aren't held in WV, you got it, rough terrain! In my area we do have a better coon population than in the past but you still have to put up with the nasty mountains and just plain rough territory. I have hunted in most of the major UKC hunts held in America and nothing comes close to where I hunt here along with a few of our neighboring states. I have had dogs with big motors, big mouths, accurate all night tree dogs and believe me, they're impressive but can also be man killers! I know and have hunted with folks that have finished high in the World Hunts that said they would quit hunting if they had to hunt here where I do. Granted, I'm no young man anymore but it was never easy. I had the pleasure of living in Indiana for 9 years and got spoiled to that type of hunting. I remember once hearing one of the MacAvoy boys (Droop's owner) say that they took the tailgate off their truck cause they could make more drops that way by taking less time. Come here where I hunt and turn loose in one of these deep hollows and tree on the top of the ridge then turn loose on that ridge and tree back in that deep hollow and more than likely you won't want to make anymore drops. One last thing about hunting a dog like being discussed here is the handler. That is one the main equations in winning any hunt if not the most important. I had the pleasure of hunting with Larry Wilcox and St Nick a few years back and asked if he had hunted with Dave Dean much, being he lived so close to him. His response was, yes but it took me until the next week to figure out how Dave beat me, LOL. A good handler is a must! Good luck in finding the type of hound you want but be ware of what you wish for. I hope to see you at the top of the page in the major hunts. Oh, BTW, in nearly 50 years of hunting Blueticks, I have never thought about swapping breeds and I still own and hunt Blueticks. I hope everyone has a wonderful day. Winter finally showed up here!

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Well put and I totally understand were you are coming from train does play a big part in what people hunt and able to hunt . Im not a old man by no means and I can get up on the wheel and flat get threw the country will walk moast to death going to hounds and IV got a 18 year old boy that can get after it aswell me and him are a good team and we hunt the guts out of are hounds a d it shows at the hunts we been getting are part at all the local kc

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many fellows just are not very honest with what they can handle. a few weeks ago i went hunting with a fellow that before we went hunting he was telling me how hard and deep he likes a dog to hunt. so after the first drop i could see there was no way he could enjoy that style of dog unless he just wants to talk about it cause he sure wasn't going to walk after one. now if the fellow was to get a nice close hunting dog he may actually take the dog hunting and enjoy hunting. not everyone is blessed to be able to get threw the woods easy.

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Truth......

.....is something we don't seem to hear much these days!!! When was the last time you asked a person "what kinda dog you looking for???" and they actually said, "well, as you can see I'm too fat and lazy to be hunting anyways...I want one that's slow and don't go out from under my feet."
Nope, you aint gonna ever hear that, even though you can take one look and figure it out right away!!!
What you are going to hear is how you probably don't have their kind of dog because they hunt 7 nights a week until the sun comes up the dog better be {here it comes again folks....} "deep and alone." Then he's going to tell you how he was a Navy seal.

Edit: one thing I do believe when I hear it is when a hunter from West Virginia says, "slick treein' dogs don't last too long around these parts!!!"
It's a whole different ballgame when I say my dog slick treed several times and when Mr. Moore says that!!!!!!! The difference between me going on a little walk and Mr. Moore scaling a few mountains!!! Wouldn't you agree Ron????

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Keep wright on hunting and looking for my kinda hound and gonna be a part of them final 4 KC hunts

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just cause a dog hunts close doesn't mean it has to be slow, lazy or under your feet.

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I don't know how many statement iv herd about slick treeing walkers . I tell you im a blue dog man threw and threw I know there is alot of slick treeing walkers out there but you go to these big PKC hunt's in the winter time and you will find some walker dogs that will get up on the wheel and beat you by treeing Coons they will put it on you the worst dog I ever saw about slick treeing was a blue dog utchman bang up i hunted him 31 nights and never seen him under a coon the last night I turned him loose he made 11 slick trees he was retarded win I followed him . I heard​ another statement​ he said he thought the faster a hound was the more they will tree slick. How does people come up with this stuff

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Truth......

.....is something we don't seem to hear much these days!!! When was the last time you asked a person "what kinda dog you looking for???" and they actually said, "well, as you can see I'm too fat and lazy to be hunting anyways...I want one that's slow and don't go out from under my feet."
Nope, you aint gonna ever hear that, even though you can take one look and figure it out right away!!!
What you are going to hear is how you probably don't have their kind of dog because they hunt 7 nights a week until the sun comes up the dog better be {here it comes again folks....} "deep and alone." Then he's going to tell you how he was a Navy seal.

Edit: one thing I do believe when I hear it is when a hunter from West Virginia says, "slick treein' dogs don't last too long around these parts!!!"
It's a whole different ballgame when I say my dog slick treed several times and when Mr. Moore says that!!!!!!! The difference between me going on a little walk and Mr. Moore scaling a few mountains!!! Wouldn't you agree Ron????

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I think a lot times " drive " gets interpreted many different ways depending on who your talking to. To me " drive " is the desire & want to go out & hunt. I have 2 males right now that are totally different in their styles. One will flat burn the hide off a coon, wind & covers a lot of ground without going real deep. The other is slower on track, rarely winds & at the end of the night has only covered half the distance of the other one. In my opinion both of them are driven & have plenty of drive. The difference I see is one will take whatever track it comes to first and work it out. Even on the same track one will be at the tree way before the other, but the slower one just sticks his nose in every step of the track & is more accurate & a straighter hound. They both get excited about hitting the woods & don't wanna stop hunting. So to me the drive is in both of them, they just use that drive differently.

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