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All dogs declared treed . Dog A meets cast 30 yards from the other dogs. Other dogs are in hole in ground can not see in hole. Other dogs are circle points how do you score dog A?

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Circle, if it came from the direction of the hole. Same general area.

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I'm not positive but pretty sure only one dog has to show you the hole. I may be wrong since the dog was 30ft away.

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Circle it up

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I agree with the previous three .

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In my opinion a hole serves as the same thing as a tree. The dog must "show" what he or she has been declared treed in.

If the dog was seen in the hole and came out of it to greet the handler then I say no minus. But if you were walking into the hole and one of them appears a ways away from the hole I would minus it.

There are a lot of dogs that have been trained and corrected for getting in holes and most the time all it does is draw you minus points.

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If the dog comes off a tree 30 yards are you going to show it the same generosity?

Why circle?

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I'm assuming that everybody saying "circle" are referring to rule 5A but that does not pertain to dogs that were "declared treed". Dog A in the original post should be MINUSED IMO.
The other three dogs would be circled for staying at the hole. Assuming nobody got down on their knees and found a coon or a possum in there. LOL

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5 (a) clearly states that only one dog has to show the end of the track. Whether declared treed or not, if the judge orders the dog handled, then 5 (a) applies and points are circled. If the judge determines the dog should not be handled, then it would be minused tree points and continue on trail. So the answer is it depends on the judges decision to handle the dog or not. But if that dog is handled at the hole , it gets circled points whether declared treed or not, assuming no coon is seen and the hole is not slick.

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Originally posted by rickp
All dogs declared treed . Dog A meets cast 30 yards from the other dogs. Other dogs are in hole in ground can not see in hole. Other dogs are circle points how do you score dog A?

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Dog A came from direction of hole and went back to hole with cast . Between waiting 5 minutes and the walk it had been 10 to 15 minutes. There was a question on scoring that's why I asked .The dog was handled.

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first post you stated all dogs were treed tree is closed !

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Yes I said that all dogs declared treed and yes tree was closed the last dog was not called treed until 10 seconds was left on tree. He waited for as long as he could.

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got it ! after reading the advisor page 36 about holes i would ask this would you not minus a dog that came back 30 yards from a tree ? and why in the world would cast wait till the 5 is up to walk another 10 to get to tree or hole in this case unless the cast can see hole at 30 yards my vote would be to minus tree and circle strike i've been wrong lots of times that is why i ordered a advisor the rule book for the rule book and i still get it wrong sometimes

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Would you plus all dogs declared treed on a tree as long as one showed end of trail on tree and others were milling around. The rule is different on a hole or tile I think. That's why I asked.

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quote:

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Originally posted by rickp
Would you plus all dogs declared treed on a tree as long as one showed end of trail on tree and others were milling around. The rule is different on a hole or tile I think. That's why I asked.

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I can see where a question mark would come in. What happened to giving the dog the benefit of the doubt. Pretty sure it was stated, he came out, 30 yards, from the direction of the hole and followed the cast back to it. You all are saying it is like a tree. You all are looking for a Way to minus the dog. If you all accepted his tree call, you must have heard him at the hole or you don't have to accept it, he comes from the hole... Geesh... You all know what he was doing.. circle it and move on... In my cast, as judge, circle....

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Harleydan, if you tree the dog it must be scored as if treed regardless if it turns out to be a hole.

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Why does everyone want to apply their interpretation or personal feelings when the rule plainly states that only one dog must show the hole? I am sure that everyone has their own personal opinion about how to score this but UKC's opinion is the only one that is supposed to count.

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
Harleydan, if you tree the dog it must be scored as if treed regardless if it turns out to be a hole.

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PR. Lethal Blue Tayen Grace..... Nite Ch. Pr Coffins creek running J.R. X Gr Ch Nite Ch PR Lethal Blue Moonlite Serenade.
PR. Lethal Blue Jane's Mini Me... Dual Gr. Ch. Twin Springs Running Bullet II X Ch. Lethal.Blue Lil Bit of Respect.



Gone but never forgotten
Gr Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Moonlight Serenade... Gr. Ch. Nite Ch PR Hillbillys Smokey River Dutch HTX X Gr. Ch. Nite CH. PR Lethal Blue Izabell Sitara

Gr. Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Izabell Sitara... Dual Gr. Ch PR Bowens Blue Deuce X Ch. Nite Ch. PR Becky.

Gr Ch Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Betty Jane...... PR. Crites Soggy Bottom Blue Banjo X PR. Mosquito Creek Tree mamma Sis

Gr Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Rattlin Samantha ... Dual Gr Ch PR Mid Ohio Rattlin Sam X Gr Ch PR. Lethal Blue Jet's Xena

Gr. Ch. Nite Ch Hillbilly's Smokey River Blue Dutch HTX..... Gr. Ch. Gr. Nite Ch Pr. Smokey River Tramp's Blue Lake and Pr. Misty River Blue Doll III.
(Dutch wasn't ours, but he was here and like one of the family)

Pr. Dan's little Porter.... my last beagle...

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