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Darren, I don't have a big pedigree on Copper. Are you saying that Mr Harry Omedian took a female grandpup out of Gr Nt Ch Hayes Rambling Red Ace and bred her to Joe Melton's Gr Nt Ch Fireball to get the stud dog that he based/started his kennel on?

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I have sure been getting a real nice history lesson on the old time Fireball X Ace/Famous Amos/Timber Chopper bred dogs. It seems that they really worked very well. And then later on some bred heavy Fireball offspring with heavy Timber Chopper or Famous Amos offspring with quite a bit of success. But then it kinda died out but now it seems to be coming back to a certain extent.

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Like I've said before on here richard fireball was a great fastball for those heavy TC bred females

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favorits ive hunted and or owned
grnt nighty nite moonlight kate rip
grnt moonlight pepper ann
Grnt jackpot Jackie rip
grnt rocky top jet
ntch moonlight katie rip
ntch moonlight madona
ntch beaver creek blaze rip
ntch moonlights dirty danny b.rip (ntch moonlight kink x ntch sawblade reckon)
Current
Grnt moonlight ky Kate (grnt ranger x grnt moonlight Kate
Ntch Pr beaver creeks easy peezy three 1st place wins (jet x moonlight Bree)
Pr beaver creeks moonlight coon buster ( moonlight shock x moonlight Bree)

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What about Fireball females? Here is a female from a Fireball grandpup bred to a fireball grandpup.
..........Wrongway Billy
Wrongway Ace
......................................Meltons Red Fireball
............................Yellow River Red Rocky
.......................................Bachelders Red Flame
....................Patterson's Deluxe Buster
.......................................Wrinkles
.............................Sweet Magnolia Maggie
........................................Sam
...........Wolf Creek Sweet Annie
..........................................Meltons Red Fireball
..............................Bachelders Red Bow
...........................................Bachelders Red Ivy
....................Nighty Nite Red Roxie
...............................Yellow River Red Bell

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Here is a Rambling Red Ace female grandpup that was bred to Fireball...
..........Meltons Red Fireball
Yellow River Red Rocky
...................Bachelders Red Rooster
...........Bachelders Red Flame
............................Hayes Rambling Red Ace
...................Pierces Red Tess
............................Andersons Crazy Babe

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Does anyone have any more examples?

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What about Fireball females? Here is a female from a Fireball grandpup bred to a fireball grandpup.
..........Wrongway Billy
Wrongway Ace
......................................Meltons Red Fireball
............................Yellow River Red Rocky
.......................................Bachelders Red Flame
....................Patterson's Deluxe Buster
.......................................Wrinkles
.............................Sweet Magnolia Maggie
........................................Sam
...........Wolf Creek Sweet Annie
..........................................Meltons Red Fireball
..............................Bachelders Red Bow
...........................................Bachelders Red Ivy
....................Nighty Nite Red Roxie
...............................Yellow River Red Bell

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favorits ive hunted and or owned
grnt nighty nite moonlight kate rip
grnt moonlight pepper ann
Grnt jackpot Jackie rip
grnt rocky top jet
ntch moonlight katie rip
ntch moonlight madona
ntch beaver creek blaze rip
ntch moonlights dirty danny b.rip (ntch moonlight kink x ntch sawblade reckon)
Current
Grnt moonlight ky Kate (grnt ranger x grnt moonlight Kate
Ntch Pr beaver creeks easy peezy three 1st place wins (jet x moonlight Bree)
Pr beaver creeks moonlight coon buster ( moonlight shock x moonlight Bree)

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In all of my long talks with Mr J Biggert Sr, he never even mentioned this stuff. Was he not coonhunting when they bred Fireball to Flame and then Rocky to Maggie? I still remember hunting with Music once and that was 20 yrs ago. She was really something.

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Darren/Kim/Jeff, why did y'all wait all of these years to breed some Rusty/Ace/Timber Chopper back in? I can't wait to breed a nice Boone X Copper female back to Big Red Jim or a nice Boone X Cat female to AfterShock. Or something out of Boone X Cat to something out of Big Time Bo X Deanna. Wouldn't that be something?

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Where is Mr Sawblade? Is he banned? And where is that Gruver boy? I thought that he said that he was going to play with us now. They must be over on that Facebook thing.

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Darren, I don't have a big pedigree on Copper. Are you saying that Mr Harry Omedian took a female grandpup out of Gr Nt Ch Hayes Rambling Red Ace and bred her to Joe Melton's Gr Nt Ch Fireball to get the stud dog that he based/started his kennel on?

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GRNTCH PR' Steve-O and Chili's Red Flow
NTCH PR' Twisters Musical Red Huey DNA-VIP Perf Sire 06'07 Deceased 11/07
Former Home of
NTCH 'PR' Swann's Lonesome Red Music/ Kitty
NTCH. CH PR' SawBlade Red Reckon
NTCH. CH PR' Gher's Timber Mt. Brandy
Breeder of
GRNTCH PR' Daugherty's Red BUBBA
NTCH CH PR' BA'S Tree Top Rockin Griddle
NTCH PR' Lickcreek Backwoods Lil Red Annie

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Nite Hunt Titled Dogs I Owned

1986 Autumn Oaks National Grand Nite Ch Redbone
GrNiteCh GrCh Key River Rock

1992 Autumn Oaks National Grand Nite Ch Redbone
1992 Autumn Oaks - Overall High Scoring Redbone
GrNiteCh Flint Creek Hustlin Doc

GrNiteCh Flint Creek Hustlin Amy
NiteCh Flint Creek Hustlin Amos
NiteCH Ch Johnos Red Sugar
NiteCh Ch Treefines Firecracker
NiteCh Flint Creek Miss Minnie
NiteCh GrCh Flint Creek Red Champ
NiteCh Guinns Rusty

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Oh my goodness, it looks like Mr Omedian must have "acquired" Rocky from Mr Bachelder to start his Yellow River Kennels.

Isn't Brown's Ok Red Penny where the Brush Buster dogs came from?

And I got to hunt with/against Bailey one night at AO. She beat me and sure did look good doing it. But then Music was her mom. That Twister X Music cross was a real no brainer. My Copper papers show it in Chilli's 2nd generation. Now I am beginning to see (said the blind man) why Chilli was such a nice reproducer when crossed with Steve-O.
I wish that I could come up to Olney. If I wasn't so busy taking care of pups, I would. It is a great place to have a hunt and always a good time.

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Richard, I can't believe you have had blinders on all this time.
Way back in the day when all those Yellow river dogs were winning you must have still been on the show circuit . Back then I bred my untitled little female to an old grey haired GrNiteCh Yellow River Rocky . That produced his very last living litter. Rocky was 13 years old and my female "Fiddle " was about 2 years old. Fiddle was double Famous Amos and double Littleman she was a heavy TC bred dog with several other top TC sons in the ped. It really should be no surprise why she crossed well on Harry's dogs.
Your not just now figuring this all out are you.

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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

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joe Melton told me one night while we was hunting at his place that bachelders females was the best cross on fireball the next night I was at bachelders hunting with bow the next night I was at Harry's hunting with rocky my buddy bred his tj female to bow then to rocky she died before she had the rocky pups
Harry said he want every tc line bred female he could find that they had found the mix that worked
Look at jack pot Jackie ped I think you will find this mix again

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favorits ive hunted and or owned
grnt nighty nite moonlight kate rip
grnt moonlight pepper ann
Grnt jackpot Jackie rip
grnt rocky top jet
ntch moonlight katie rip
ntch moonlight madona
ntch beaver creek blaze rip
ntch moonlights dirty danny b.rip (ntch moonlight kink x ntch sawblade reckon)
Current
Grnt moonlight ky Kate (grnt ranger x grnt moonlight Kate
Ntch Pr beaver creeks easy peezy three 1st place wins (jet x moonlight Bree)
Pr beaver creeks moonlight coon buster ( moonlight shock x moonlight Bree)

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Fiddle was double Famous Amos and double Littleman she was a heavy TC bred dog

Your not just now figuring this all out are you?

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I am a little slow and you never told me. How am I supposed to "figure it out"?

I guess that is why Fiddle offspring crossed so well on Ranger. I can't wait to see how my linebred T-Top/Zack bred female crosses with Ranger. Maybe another Woody will come from this litter.

And maybe the Boone X Copper litter contains another Jackpot Jackie.

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I don't think your a slow learner Richard, maybe a stubborn learner LOL.

If you want another Woody around you better get some Yellow River and Sawblade in with that Ranger stuff. JMO

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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

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I don't think your a slow learner Richard, maybe a stubborn learner LOL.

If you want another Woody around you better get some Yellow River and Sawblade in with that Ranger stuff. JMO

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GRNTCH PR' Steve-O and Chili's Red Flow
NTCH PR' Twisters Musical Red Huey DNA-VIP Perf Sire 06'07 Deceased 11/07
Former Home of
NTCH 'PR' Swann's Lonesome Red Music/ Kitty
NTCH. CH PR' SawBlade Red Reckon
NTCH. CH PR' Gher's Timber Mt. Brandy
Breeder of
GRNTCH PR' Daugherty's Red BUBBA
NTCH CH PR' BA'S Tree Top Rockin Griddle
NTCH PR' Lickcreek Backwoods Lil Red Annie

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Originally posted by Sawblade
I don't think your a slow learner Richard, maybe a stubborn learner LOL.
If you want another Woody around you better get some Yellow River and Sawblade in with that Ranger stuff. JMO

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Richard , will you be smart enough to take one of these pups and breed it to one of the titled Bembie /Rocky males.
If so , I guess you are learning, finally. lol

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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

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