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Is this a "do or die" year for them. What will happen to the Republican party if they nominate Cruz and then he gets beat by Hillary? She would surely get reelected since Obama did. It would be 8 more years before they would have a chance for a takeover. They couldn't beat Obama on 2 tries. What if they can't beat even beat Hillary who apparantly no one really likes? Will they just slowly fade away and some other Party get started up?
If Trump is nominated and doesn't beat Hillary, then they will have plenty of excuses. But if Cruz gets nominated, then the Republican Party Old Guard had better sure hope that they can get him elected or they are in big trouble. Trump has started a new movement in the Republican party. If the Old Guard puts down that movement and then doesn't get their candidate elected, they are on their way out. How long has the Republican Party been around? It would be awful if they just faded away because they refused to keep up with the times or "change".

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Do not believe that Senator Cruz can win against Clinton, he is just too monolithic, exclusive, disliked, has proven he is unable to work with others which is a must at this time. Public is fed up with business as usual which is the reason that Trump has the support that he has. Trump would have the better chance of winning the general election as he has broader appeal. If it becomes a brokered convention possible that neither Trump or Cruz will become the nominee. Demographics and voter turnout will be key to winning in November, GOP needs to get on the same page if any hope of winning....

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We need a new political party, The Moderates. The Republican Party could represent the True Conservatives and the Democratic Party could represent the True Liberals. Everyone in the middle or The True Independants could have their own political party. When a vote came up in Congress there would be 3 parties or sets of representative that would have to agree or compromise. This two party system doesn't seem to be working. There are way too many people getting left out. It seems to me that there are sure a lot of people that want to vote for "none of the above" or they are just voting "against" someone. No one thinks that they have a chance unless they are labeled a Republican or a Democrat. Maybe it is time for a change. If Hillary gets elected, then we will just have to start a party that some of the Republicans and Democrats can both support.

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We need a new political party, The Moderates. The Republican Party could represent the True Conservatives and the Democratic Party could represent the True Liberals. Everyone in the middle or The True Independants could have their own political party. When a vote came up in Congress there would be 3 parties or sets of representative that would have to agree or compromise. This two party system doesn't seem to be working. There are way too many people getting left out. It seems to me that there are sure a lot of people that want to vote for "none of the above" or they are just voting "against" someone. No one thinks that they have a chance unless they are labeled a Republican or a Democrat. Maybe it is time for a change. If Hillary gets elected, then we will just have to start a party that some of the Republicans and Democrats can both support.
We do it's called Libertarians.

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Why is everyone scared of a true Conservative like Cruz? Why do we let the ones we're against, "the establishment" tell us he can't win? What have they proved to us?


How did the last several "moderate" candidates fair in Presidential elections?? What has trying to be somewhere in the middle gotten us? When is the last time we've tried a true conservative? Reagan?? I can't think of anybody since.

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Why is everyone scared of a true Conservative like Cruz? Why do we let the ones we're against, "the establishment" tell us he can't win?

When is the last time we've tried a true conservative? Reagan?? I can't think of anybody since.



Duh...because he can't.

Oh my goodness, I thought that Reagan was a "Hollywood Actor" and not a politician. I guess that I am not much of a historian. And wasn't he elected "back in the good old days" of the establishment Republican Party.... way back before big oil, terrorists, the abortion issue, gun control, the recession, immigration issues, fair trade acts, school violence/shootings, unarmed people being shot to death by policemen. It seems to me that the times they are a'changing and some just aren't keeping up.

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Who is the Libertarian candidate?

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Last election Gary Johnson was Libertarian candidate, former governor of NM, Cruz is a shill bought and paid for by big right wing money, carries their water and does their bidding. An election can't be won with just conservative votes, need to attract a cross section of society including, women, minorities, etc. An only one way agenda will not win a general election regardless if conservative or liberal, most are moderates, might be conservative on some issues, but not all. 3rd party just does not have much of a chance the way election laws etc.are. Personally would like to see the electoral college ended or altered to be proportional, now winning the big states and one or two others elects the president...No matter who is elected the wealthy few set the agenda and those elected carry it out, might be more right or left, but within preset parameters...

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Duh...because he can't.

Oh my goodness, I thought that Reagan was a "Hollywood Actor" and not a politician. I guess that I am not much of a historian. And wasn't he elected "back in the good old days" of the establishment Republican Party.... way back before big oil, terrorists, the abortion issue, gun control, the recession, immigration issues, fair trade acts, school violence/shootings, unarmed people being shot to death by policemen. It seems to me that the times they are a'changing and some just aren't keeping up.



Apparently you're not a historian. Thanks for pointing that out. Reagan was a Governor for 8 years prior to TWICE running unsuccessfully for President before winning it in the third try in 1980. That's not a politician?? LOL!

If you study it, Reagan was exactly in the same boat as Cruz. Too outsider, too much of a conservative idealog, couldn't win, establishment was against him.

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If the Republicans had a true conservative candidate, the Democrats had a true liberal candidate and the other party had a true moderate candidate; I wonder who would win? The way it is now doesn't the Republican or Democrat that appeals to the most moderates win? If we had 3 distinct candidates; Republican, Democrat and Moderate, then each party could nominate a candidate true to their ideals and let them run. But I believe that the Republicans and Democrats are afraid to do that. Neither the true conservatives nor the true liberals think that they can stand alone. So the Republicans nominate a candidate that they think will appeal to some Democrats and the Democrats nominate a candidate that they think will appeal to some Republicans and a lot of voters end up voting for "none of the above".

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Who is the Libertarian candidate?


you , if you want to run for that open spot !!

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there are those who believe that the U.S. should have open borders and all that goes with it. And there are those who believe that we should have a secure border with limited legal immigration. Then again, I guess, there are those who believe that we should have a border that resists illegal immigration but allows some to sneak through. That would be the third party.
I believe we need a wall with towers manned with armed LEO 24 hours a day.

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Is it too late? I believe in....
The United States of America and it's Constitution...
The right to bear arms, with a few restrictions.....
Abortion rights with a whole lot of restrictions...
Family vales....but I think that gays can be a family as long as they don't bother me....
Christian morals and Jesus Christ, but I don't believe that i should force my beliefs on others. I believe that the Constitution gives them the right to worship as they please
I am against terrorists....kill them all.
I am for fair trade, not free trade....
I believe that even I could get Mexico to build a wall....But I also believe in Legal Immigration and it is also "The American Way"
I believe that there should be some form of income tax reform. I also believe that a whole lot of people would be willing to help out if they thought that it was fair and going to help "their" country...
I believe in balancing the budget. It is simple economics either you spend less or make more or a little of both. I learned that when I was 16 yrs old and had my first job.
I believe that no child should go hungry....
I believe that some people need help and others would love to help them. I think that they call that charity and it is "The American Way" also.
I am Pro Israel but I believe that the Israelites are more than cabable of taking care of themselves.
I believe that we have no business in the Middle East. They should just take care of themselves also. They have been at war with each other for 1,000 years and no one has "won". Therefore it is a "no win" situation no matter what we do. As long as they stay out of our country, we should just leave them alone.
I believe that The United States of America is the greatest country in the world today and we don't have to prove that to anyone. We should just "set an example" and let other countries follow if they want to.

But I have been known to "change my mind" when presented with more facts....

Send all political donations to:
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Is it too late? I believe in....
The United States of America and it's Constitution...
The right to bear arms, with a few restrictions.....
Abortion rights with a whole lot of restrictions...
Family vales....but I think that gays can be a family as long as they don't bother me....
Christian morals and Jesus Christ, but I don't believe that i should force my beliefs on others. I believe that the Constitution gives them the right to worship as they please
I am against terrorists....kill them all.
I am for fair trade, not free trade....
I believe that even I could get Mexico to build a wall....But I also believe in Legal Immigration and it is also "The American Way"
I believe that there should be some form of income tax reform. I also believe that a whole lot of people would be willing to help out if they thought that it was fair and going to help "their" country...
I believe in balancing the budget. It is simple economics either you spend less or make more or a little of both. I learned that when I was 16 yrs old and had my first job.
I believe that no child should go hungry....
I believe that some people need help and others would love to help them. I think that they call that charity and it is "The American Way" also.
But I have been known to "change my mind" when presented with more facts....
Send all political donations to:
Lambert For President Campaign...
5812 Grasshopper Rd
Birchwood, Tn 37308



no , write in , go get them you have put forward as much campaign information as any of them have , no one nos have of what is in the race now ..
Lambert For President 2016 , give them hale ..

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Is it too late? I believe in....
The United States of America and it's Constitution...
The right to bear arms, with a few restrictions.....
Abortion rights with a whole lot of restrictions...
Family vales....but I think that gays can be a family as long as they don't bother me....
Christian morals and Jesus Christ, but I don't believe that i should force my beliefs on others. I believe that the Constitution gives them the right to worship as they please
I am against terrorists....kill them all.
I am for fair trade, not free trade....
I believe that even I could get Mexico to build a wall....But I also believe in Legal Immigration and it is also "The American Way"
I believe that there should be some form of income tax reform. I also believe that a whole lot of people would be willing to help out if they thought that it was fair and going to help "their" country...
I believe in balancing the budget. It is simple economics either you spend less or make more or a little of both. I learned that when I was 16 yrs old and had my first job.
I believe that no child should go hungry....
I believe that some people need help and others would love to help them. I think that they call that charity and it is "The American Way" also.
I am Pro Israel but I believe that the Israelites are more than cabable of taking care of themselves.
I believe that we have no business in the Middle East. They should just take care of themselves also. They have been at war with each other for 1,000 years and no one has "won". Therefore it is a "no win" situation no matter what we do. As long as they stay out of our country, we should just leave them alone.
I believe that The United States of America is the greatest country in the world today and we don't have to prove that to anyone. We should just "set an example" and let other countries follow if they want to.

But I have been known to "change my mind" when presented with more facts....

Send all political donations to:
Lambert For President Campaign...
5812 Grasshopper Rd
Birchwood, Tn 37308

so your a live and let live type of guy, Me Too, but I believe the only reasons abortions should be performed are if the mother's life is in jeopardy or rape.

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Yes, my recollections are sometimes a little vague. If Reagan was "too" much of a conservative, why was the establishment against him? I can't imagine someone who was from and elected the Governor of California was "too" conservative, especially an actor. My how the times have truly changed.

Notice that I said, "a whole lot of" restrictions. Mr Taylor, I will be watching my mailbox for your contributition and thanks for your vote. I will shake your hand the next time that I see you. Do you have any babies that I could kiss?

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Apparently you're not a historian. Thanks for pointing that out. Reagan was a Governor for 8 years prior to TWICE running unsuccessfully for President before winning it in the third try in 1980. That's not a politician?? LOL!

If you study it, Reagan was exactly in the same boat as Cruz. Too outsider, too much of a conservative idealog, couldn't win, establishment was against him.


Reagan was also a Democrat until the 1960's. Loved FDR and the New Deal. Tried to get Ike to campaign as a Democrat for his Presidential run.

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Declared 2016 Libertarian Presidential Candidate
Gary Johnson
Former Governor of New Mexico

Gary Earl Johnson
Born: January 1st, 1953 (age 63)

The former construction company owner, mountaineer and competitive triathlete, governed New Mexico for two terms as a Republican. One of the few unqualified gubernatorial success stories for the Republican Party over the last couple of decades, his entry into politics was a low-key affair, driven mainly by a core of loyal backers. The then politically-inexperienced Johnson was hardly given a chance in the run up to the New Mexico gubernatorial race of 1994, especially after being rebuffed by state Republican leaders who ‘suggested’ that he should instead seek a seat in the State Legislature first.

However, his convictions and doggedness saw him scrapping past his Republican challenger in the primary, Richard P. Cheney, by a mere 1%, securing 34% of the ballots. The win was all the more impressive considering his campaign was funded almost entirely from his own $500,000 contribution. In the general election, with the Republican Party machinery firmly behind him, Johnson soundly, although very surprisingly, defeated the incumbent Governor, Democrat Bruce King, by an impressive 10 points. He repeated the feat four years later by beating Democrat Albert Chavez by another comprehensive ten-point margin to win reelection – impressive feats in a state with an over 40% Latino population.

His time in office was typified by aggressive cost cutting measures aimed at eliminating the state’s budget deficit and spending growth. Johnson, armed with the lessons learned building his construction firm, was known to be a decisive, yet collaborative operator who is most often remembered as the Governor who never increased taxes during his tenure.

In 2012, Johnson joined the Libertarian Party after severing his ties with the GOP.

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so your a live and let live type of guy, Me Too, but I believe the only reasons abortions should be performed are if the mother's life is in jeopardy or rape.


I'm not even for it in those cases. Just my strong belief. I believe we all have a right to life, and it's not our choice. Rather than take a bullet for someone else, if I instead shoved someone innocent in front of a bullet because it may save my own life, what kind of person am I? In fact if any such thing could be proven, I would be charged with homicide if not murder.

Did you know Pope John Paul the II was almost aborted because of doctors recommendations due to complications with the pregnancy?

Celine Dion's mother wanted to get an abortion, but a priest told her not to.

Celine: "I owe my life to that priest. Once she got over her disappointment, my mother didn't waste any time on self-pity, and loved me as passionately as she'd loved the last little one."

I could name countless people both famous and not famous, but made their mark all the same. Tim Tebow is another one.

Right now we know of someone pretty well, that a 15 yr old girl is pregnant by her father. She is not getting an abortion and as soon as the child is born they will pull the DNA and start prosecution on the father. VERY difficult situation but still no fault of its own, and that baby will be loved same as another and I hope can somehow, some way be a positive result in this world.

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Just for your information. Goggle it.
Presidential-candidates.org
There are over 1000 presidential candidates registered with the FEC for president.

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I'm not even for it in those cases. Just my strong belief. I believe we all have a right to life, and it's not our choice. Rather than take a bullet for someone else, if I instead shoved someone innocent in front of a bullet because it may save my own life, what kind of person am I? In fact if any such thing could be proven, I would be charged with homicide if not murder.

Did you know Pope John Paul the II was almost aborted because of doctors recommendations due to complications with the pregnancy?

Celine Dion's mother wanted to get an abortion, but a priest told her not to.

Celine: "I owe my life to that priest. Once she got over her disappointment, my mother didn't waste any time on self-pity, and loved me as passionately as she'd loved the last little one."

I could name countless people both famous and not famous, but made their mark all the same. Tim Tebow is another one.

Right now we know of someone pretty well, that a 15 yr old girl is pregnant by her father. She is not getting an abortion and as soon as the child is born they will pull the DNA and start prosecution on the father. VERY difficult situation but still no fault of its own, and that baby will be loved same as another and I hope can somehow, some way be a positive result in this world.

That's Great you have to stand for something . Terrible about the girl though.

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Reagan was also a Democrat until the 1960's. Loved FDR and the New Deal. Tried to get Ike to campaign as a Democrat for his Presidential run.


As was a lot of people. He came to realize the error of his thinking as he became older. But he was a strong conservative for decades before he became President.

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I agree with you, well started. But in the past 10 years my position has evolved. I was once a liberal agnostic. I even brow beat my 1st wife into getting an abortion. But now, I've seen the light. All the old stuff has passed away though I still feel shame and regret.

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That's Great you have to stand for something . Terrible about the girl though.


I don't have a choice. It's a core principle. Everything in me screams against it. I could no sooner soften my stance on that as I could go along with someone mistreating my parents or abusing my wife.

It's what people like Richard don't understand. He has a perfect right to any and all of his opinions, but in his words, "It seems to me that the times they are a'changing and some just aren't keeping up."

Core principles are never outdated. Right is right no matter if it's yesterday, when the Constitution was written, or today. No matter how much time, or what laws are passed, nothing changes that.

Getting along for the sake of getting along, moderate Republicans staying in the middle or bending to the left, will never allow us to do what's right as a country.

If I lose my core principles and integrity, nothing else matters. A win by a moderate Republican leading us down the wrong path means nothing. It's just a slower death.

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I agree with you, well started. But in the past 10 years my position has evolved. I was once a liberal agnostic. I even brow beat my 1st wife into getting an abortion. But now, I've seen the light. All the old stuff has passed away though I still feel shame and regret.


As a man now turned to God, the wonderful and unending grace of God forgives all. You are as pure today as the most righteous man God could point to. Everything on God's end has been thrown into the sea of forgetfulness.

I'm very sorry that Satan lied to you at one point in your life and robbed you. Know this. The day will come when you will see that child in it's full health and well being. God bless.

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