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Maybe all these years we have gone about this wrong. Everybody always goes on and on and on about how important the female is and what a huge contribution she makes to the outcome of the quality of the pups. But then when it comes right down to it, the burden is put on the female and her owner to pay the stud fee, register the litter, put all the bells and whistles on them, get them in good hands and hope they get hunted.

Well, if its true that the female is more important to a good litter (and it probably is IMO) then shouldn't we switch it around and have female fees? I'm just throwing out an idea. How much would stud owners be willing to pay to breed to a proven producer who is owned by a breeder that raises pups the right way, puts them in good hands and hunts what they get from the female stock they keep?

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Maybe all these years we have gone about this wrong. Everybody always goes on and on and on about how important the female is and what a huge contribution she makes to the outcome of the quality of the pups. But then when it comes right down to it, the burden is put on the female and her owner to pay the stud fee, register the litter, put all the bells and whistles on them, get them in good hands and hope they get hunted.

Well, if its true that the female is more important to a good litter (and it probably is IMO) then shouldn't we switch it around and have female fees? I'm just throwing out an idea. How much would stud owners be willing to pay to breed to a proven producer who is owned by a breeder that raises pups the right way, puts them in good hands and hunts what they get from the female stock they keep?

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What stud owner wouldn't want to breed a Georgia Cyclone or Stylish Queen to their dog? Getting them to pay for it is unlikely.
I like raising and starting pups if I truely had the best stud in the country I'd still be looking for a female good enough to breed ( I'm on my 3rd in about 30 years ) My thought has always been I'll concentrate on finding the right female and I can use any stud in the country. Let the stud owners deal with constant phone calls. I'll pay the stud fee !

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you have a good ideal and i agree with you and i also think the female is as important if not more on a litter of pups turning out good , it will never work its to hard in changing the way people think and see things , you would stand a better chance in getting a state tropper to give himself a ticket when he stops you for speeding ..

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I totally agree. Years ago I stopped buying pups off of top stud dogs if I didn't know the quality of the female as a reproducer. Top females will attract top males. Top males will attract any and all females.

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Ain't it funny though if a dog does well everyone talks about what stud it's out of and hardly ever mention the female. Unless there are several winners out of her. I see ads every day" so and so" stud dog pups for sale" no mention of the female they're out of. I don't read any farther. If your puppies mother doesn't matter to you your puppies sure don't matter to me !

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You make a good point. I wonder if this thinking comes from the way people have always taken the name of the father instead of the women.
I think if you have a great female you should be able to market her just as well or better than one can a male. But you've got to think outside the box. Good luck with that.

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[B]What stud owner wouldn't want to breed a Georgia Cyclone or Stylish Queen to their dog? Getting them to pay for it is unlikely./B]

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I agree If a Prostitutes gets paid ,, why shouldn't a female dog get paid

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I agree If a Prostitute gets paid ,, why shouldn't a female dog get paid

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The prostitute might get paid but her pimp gets the money. The female owner sells the pups but the stud owner only gets the stud fee which usually equals the price of one pup. Why would the owner of the female not want to pay the stud owner for his trouble and if you have ever had a stud dog then you know what "trouble" and aggravation it is. Why does everyone want something for nothing? I agree that the female plays a very important part in any cross. But the stud also plays a very important part. When you have that real good female, do you just breed her to the closest male or do you research and look for a certain stud that is a reproducer and will "match" with your female? If you have a really top notch female, then ask more for her pups, don't try to get her bred to a stud for free.

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.......when it comes right down to it, the burden is put on the female and her owner to pay the stud fee, register the litter, put all the bells and whistles on them, get them in good hands and hope they get hunted.

......How much would stud owners be willing to pay to breed to a proven producer.......

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What about the "burden" that is put on the stud owner to pay for Performance Program and S/S Futurity and putting all the bells and whistles on the stud so that people will want the pups? It is really a two way street.

I know stud owners who pay good money to "lease" a nice female to breed to their stud. The only stipulation is that they get to sell/place the pups in good hands. If anyone has a very good Redbone female that is a proven reproducer and they want to "pimp" her out, give me a call.

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Any Walker females that are proven reproducers I'd gladly pay to breed to them.

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I AGREE AND HAVE BEEN PREACHING THIS FOR 20 YEARS JKIDD1 AND AT LEST TEN MORE GREAT FEMALE OWNERS OUT THERE SHOULD BE GETTING A $1,000. TO BREED TO THEIR FEMALES BUT INSTEAD JEREMY AND OTHERS WILL PICK OUT THE STUD OF THEIR CHOICE THAT THEY THINK WILL WORK THAT HAS A PRETTY GOOD REPRODUCING RECORD AND BREED TO THAT STUD DOG ALL THE STUD DOG OWNER WILL GET IS A PUP MOST LIKELY 9 OUT OF 10 TIMES BUT I DON'T SEE NOTHING CHANGING IN THE FUTURE.
HOW MANY STUD DOG OWNERS OUT THERE WOULD HAVE PAID TO BREED TO INSANE JANE QUITE A FEW WOULD HAVE IF I WAS GUESSING BUT WOULD ALSO BET ONLY THING THE STUD DOG OWNER WOULD GET WOULD BE A FREE PUP.
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This would improve all breeds for sure. There's guys out there that have nice hounds that raise good pups doing this.

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Let's look at this another way. You own the best reproducing female in the country. You've made up your mind what you want to breed to. Ole Buck is the stud you've chosen. Other stud owners are bidding for the right to breed their studs to her. Would that change your mind, or would you stick with Ole Buck? Ole Buck's owner didn't bid. It's a supply and demand thing just like with the prostitute. You gotta pay for what you want.

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What about the "burden" that is put on the stud owner to pay for Performance Program and S/S Futurity and putting all the bells and whistles on the stud so that people will want the pups? It is really a two way street.

I know stud owners who pay good money to "lease" a nice female to breed to their stud. The only stipulation is that they get to sell/place the pups in good hands. If anyone has a very good Redbone female that is a proven reproducer and they want to "pimp" her out, give me a call.

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That is why you as a female owner can charge more for a pups if it is a good female .I seen pups from free to 5000 dollars so i guess that is the way to make more money for your pups when the female produces good pups . The owner of the stud dont get any more money if you give them away or sell them for top dollar .

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Pups are fixin to get realy high dollar if we put the females to the same standard as the top studs there won't be more than 10 or 15 litters nation wide. We should but we won't.

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I have been offered several times $$ to breed one of my females to a stud but have allways declined. Their are head aches with owning a stud dog BUT lets keep in mind the female has $400 or $500 in registation fees $300 or more in stud fees, 1 to2 days of travel, Vet bills , high dollar puppy food and We risk EVERY THING if things go bad. A stud dog as very little risk involed. A stud dog owner is VERY LUCKY to get a chance to breed a nice female


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I searched for years on a stud for my female.Spent countless hours on the phone talking to stud owners and guys hunting there pups.I breed my female once to a well known stud dog.I drove about 800 miles and spent $1,200 total for everything.Ended up with a litter of 4.Man was that a huge financial headache!I have one of the best breed females in this area and she's an above average coondog.I will prolly never breed her again and am real cautious about buying pups because I know my standards are higher than most.I just don't have the money or time to be raising puppys.Its way to expensive for the females owner.

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What about the "burden" that is put on the stud owner to pay for Performance Program and S/S Futurity and putting all the bells and whistles on the stud so that people will want the pups? It is really a two way street.

I know stud owners who pay good money to "lease" a nice female to breed to their stud. The only stipulation is that they get to sell/place the pups in good hands. If anyone has a very good Redbone female that is a proven reproducer and they want to "pimp" her out, give me a call.

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Nobody is wanting something for nothing Rich. Nobody is saying that stud fees should be $20 bucks. LOL. I'm just trying to make you think in a different way. Registering a stud in every registry with every bell and whistle won't even touch what it runs to raise a litter. Like another gentleman mentioned, there infinitely more risk involved on the female side of things.

Regarding the phone calls, having a stud would for sure be annoying. But you know what comes with raising a litter. Phone calls that lead to nothing, a dozen backouts and you keep them till they are 8months old before they are all gone. I call that one a dead heat between the male and female.

But at the end of the day it comes to this. When it comes to reproduction and making pups it is like bacon and eggs. The chicken is involved (stud dog) but the pig is committed (female). I feel that there should be ample compensation for that risk and as another guy mentioned should be based on supply and demand which is truly what sells just about anything.

However, when it comes to pimpin', it's hard to beat a stud dog owner. LOL. Just look at your last six months of posts.

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Just for the record, I am not a breeder. I make a cross when I want something to keep here. I hunt what I breed and am not someone that has the time or the money to drive all over the country and find a super stud. I try to know as much as possible about good bloodlines and what bloodlines cross good (in my opinion) with what I have. Then I go find that within about 4-6hrs of the house and see who wants to work with me. I will give the stud owner as many pups in the litter that he/she wants. I will also keep one or two and make coondogs out of them if they have it in them. Guess who usually gets the credit for that? The Stud. And that is ok b/c there are some really good guys out there with some really good stud dogs.

I find most guys with stud dogs are good dudes that are super receptive to a good bred female, with a title and who has produced a few nice pups about getting bred to their male. Especially if you can show them a pup from a previous litter. I would be the same way if I were them. Nobody gets rich in this game. We do it for the love.

I just think the ladies ought to get a little more respect. They haul the mail. Expected to be a coon dog, expected to whelp good litters, raise them, feed them, in some cases train them and do it multiple times in a lifetime.

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Females that are proven reproducers do not pay anything to breed. A pup at most.

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I agree, i've raised two litters, recently, one litter, the female had mastitus, she mashed 3 ate 2, so i brought the 4 that were left, in the house, raised them on a bottle, from the time they were 2 days old, a lot of work, hours, and hours. I raised a litter last year, 3 born alive 4 dead, had to take the female to the vet and have him cut her open to remove one of the dead pups. And the vet didn't give me any pain meds to give her, she mashed one of the live ones. You never know what to expect any more, with raiseing a litter of pups, if i had this kind of bad luck, raiseing pups years ago, i would have probably quit, raiseing them. And some of the guys want a $500.00 stud fee, which is their right, but it's my right to say heck no. The more pups a stud puts out there, the more choice's he has to get one to replace his old dog with. If you don't breed very many females, what you see, is what you get.

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Get a credit card machine you can sell more pups , stud fees and even dogs if they know they can pay with the plastic pups will be gone quick.

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