Registered: Jun 2010
Location: Marion, Indiana
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Just wondering what all the buyers and sellers out there think is a fair price for well bred redbone pups?
I dont sell all that many but with the rising costs to get semen stored, breed females artificially, register them with multiple registries and nominate and pay them up in programs like performance, super stakes and super stud so pups can compete for many extra thousands of dollars...it has me wondering what price is fair for redbone pups that come with all this added opportunity?
When I have sold a few pups to help pay for some of these expenses...i have not charged over $350 and thats for crosses out of Grand Nite Champion parents (mostly all grand peds) with all the registration papers, shots, wormed, many delivered and pups nominated and paid up in advance for all special programs. I kind of feel like asking more for an 8 week old pup might be out of line...but i see lots of other people pricing their redbone pups who are just out of untitled or lower titled parents and only registered in ukc for 300-400 or more.
I know the price is between what the seller wants and the buyer will pay...but should some pups be selling for higher prices because they come with a lot more opportunity to win thousands more in competition?
Just kind of trying to get a feel of what competition hunters want when they go looking for a pup?
I participate in the performance program and the super stakes program...and i think both are great. I register all my litters in both registries and both programs and have started also registering them in the CHKC program as well. I see a few other people super staking their litters but not the majority. I do see a majority being performanced.
Maybe the reason we dont see more redbones in the money hunts is because they were never litter registered and super staked as pups.
I guess its a personal choice but i hate to see really good prospects that hits the hunts and starts winning and then find out that they were not nominated or paid up for any special programs so they cant compete against other young dogs in the same age group for the big money.
So does anyone else out there only look for pups that have been nominated for all the programs and rule out pups that have not?
If so, do you expect to pay a little more for all that added opportunity...or just expect it for the same price as those without it?
As a breeder who has participated in these various programs for years now...i can tell it adds about $750-$1000 in cost per litter.
Ive been selling my pups for $300-$350 each when i do sell them which may be less than half of the litter( many I place at no charge )
I have been told by several people this past week that I should be asking more...so Im just looking for thoughts from others out there raising litters from time to time as to how you decide what to price your pups?
I will say that i never have trouble moving all the pups i can produce...which is the way I want to keep it and many of my pups are bought by competition hunters who generally hunt other breeds and their first question is...are the pups performanced and super staked?
So please share your thoughts on the subject...thanks

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This is a very good question. I have noticed the same thing with untitled parents pups saleing for 400-500 and not having any added Incentive. I dont understand the thought process of this at all cause if you keep watching those posts you can watch the price drop. If you have pups and you want to sale them I would think if you price them reasonable they will sale quickly and you wont have to feed them til they are six months old. Then they are even harder to sale. If they are registered in every program and well bred I do think you should ask more than 200$ a pup. Regardless if your tryin to make money or just break even. There is noway to get rich saleing pups. But if I invest a ton of money in a liter I would definitely like to get close to even with them and I think most would as well. I will also say this if I like a cross. I dont care about price I just want that pup. And I think most can agree on that

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If there's ever a time that I pay more than 350$ for a pup, I hope someone takes me to have my head examined. I only charge 250$ for a 8 wk old puppy but they're only ukc and performance paid. Pkc is not around my area so I don't register the pups in that registry, the same goes for chkc. I can see asking 350$ if a breeder is paying the pups up in multiple registries but I've seen a few litters recently priced at 750-1000$ for a 8 wk old puppy that has the same odds of making a good coonhound as a 250-350$ puppy. I prefer to keep the price reasonable for the working man but also try to be selective on who gets a pup.

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I booked a redbone pup of what I call a high profile cross. Gentle told me he asking $500. Personally if I'm wanting one price is no object. But it must be S.S. Performanced not really a big deal to me.

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Location: Marion, Indiana
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Like Travis...I tend to think about the price as being fair to the working man.
I have been in this long enough to know that not every pup will make a good coon dog...and by that I mean a dog that the owner feels was well worth the price they paid. I feel like even the best crosses being made over the past few years are lucky if they produce pups where 50% are as good as the buyer expected them to be for the money they paid...so that means about half didnt get what they paid for and expected....
Sometimes I feel like the high prices being asked by some breeders is based on a "best case scenario"... And not on the actual likely outcome.
Maybe its just me...but I have been pricing my pups according to what I think is fair for the amount I have invested in the litter and what the buyers who pay for one that may not turn out will think was worth it to buy one and take that chance.
When I say I have been pricing them at $350 out of my Gr.Nt.Ch. females...the truth is...I have given more pups to people than I have sold for money. In fact, several of my best litters of the past 4 years were almost entirely given to the best people (imo) that I could find....people I knew had experience and past success starting and training pups.
To me...a breeder almost has to do this if he wants to get his pups in the best hands...because the very best pup starters/trainers I know never have to buy a pup because everyone is begging them to please take one of theirs and give it a shot.
I am not in this breed to make a profit or to get rich. I have never broken even in any year I have ever hunted redbones...I am in it to produce better redbones and hopefully reach some goals i set long ago for this breed. That being said...it is getting expensive to raise, register, nominate and pay up litters and get them in the right hands...so i have sold a few and will probably continue to do that to help balance the rising costs.
As far as registering my litters in more than just UKC...even if those hunts are not popular in my area...I do so because I sell pups all over the country and in some areas those hunts are popular. We see a lot of talk on these boards about dogs winning in the money hunts dominated by other breeds...well believe it or not...I get a lot of interest from those same guys hunting other breeds wanting to try a redbone pup...but they wont touch it if it isnt super staked...so I pay the money to do that.
Thanks for the posts and honest discussion...I appreciate the input.

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Its expensive to make the right kinda of cross's and to raise that litter to 10 to 12 weeks of age and worm multiple times,,,,Atleast 2 or 3 vaccinations each before you send them out....superstakes paid up,,AI cost..ETC>>>

I agree with Howie SS is a must to get maximum amount and the more these dogs win the more the ss will be more important...

I dis agree about any of them having the same chance to make it... in a sense this is true... they probly will make a dog that you can tree coons with..but in order to have the best chance to make a top competitor in todays world you have to start with the right stock..

Travis lots of folks say they dont pkc register because they are not in their area,, but I looked at Ricmond Missouri and there are several in your area, Holden, Meadville, King City just to name a few, and there is a chance that maybe they wont all stay in your area..

You have to start with a puppy that has the genetics to begin with or... Buy a pup that hasnt been vaccinated or wormed an doesnt have the genetics to start with for 200.00 raise it and train it til its 3 yrs old, wear out a 25,000.00 dollar truck then give the dog away because it just never makes what you want,,

Shane I know a well known B an T breeder who for yrs was giving his pups away and he said most of them didnt get a chance because the owners had nothing in them and would let them go to waste,, he started selling them for 500.00 each and all the sudden they started appearing at hunts all over the country and winning..

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I have to say 300 to 350 for a super staked and performance pup is fair. In the past I usually like to pay up the litter on the performance side of it and then just super stake nominate them. I know in my area if they are not super staked people won't even touch them.
If people are this business/sport to make money then they must be doing something right, because I have never made much money doing this. It does cost quite a bit for breeding, paper work and just raising the litter. Good luck to everyone.

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I think if someone spends a little more $ on the pup they are more likely to give it the chance they deserve no one likes wasting $.

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$400 or less is beyond reasonable for a well bred, paid up pup in all 3 major registries...esp a redbone! I've paid much more for what became much less in the walker breed.

I made a couple crosses a couple years ago, with the main intention of hopefully a strong cross and to help fund this habit. Well, after both having complications with pregnancy...I ended up over $1000 in the hole even after I sold them for $300-400 depending on the litter. So, more power to you breeders and puppy makers, I need you because it'll be awhile before I bother with that side of it again.

And on SS...I believe I speak for the majority in saying it's much more unlikely that even those asking if it's SS will ever attend SS...but the moment I get one I know has a solid chance then, and ONLY then, would I give it a go. But I've yet to own one I strongly believed deserved my money to attend a SS...hopefully one day soon though!

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$250 to $350 is great price for performanced pup but I am more concerned about getting them into the right hands!! I would pay good money for quality pup JMO!!

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I have not "paid" for a redbone pup in close to 25 years (I get lots of offers to give me pups) ...but I can tell you, some of the biggest disappointments I have ever experienced with dogs came after paying 750-1000 dollars for walker pups before I switched to redbones. Back when I was younger (and dumber) I paid big money for pups from repeat crosses where almost the whole first litter made big winning dogs...I thought man, how can I miss here!
This is when I was in my late teens / early twenties and a thousand hard earned bucks could buy a whole lot more than it does today. Boy did I learn some hard lessons...about repeat crosses, and about paying too much for just a small chance that a pup might make something special some day.
It wasnt that these pups didnt get a chance or i didnt know what I was doing...i had started, finished and titled out quite a few dogs prior to that time.
The trap I fell into was one that still to this day get many folks...
People often think, you get what you pay for...and in many cases that may be true...but in this sport...all to often it is not!
You need to look at the breeder on an individual basis I think...find out what his motivation for raising pups is. Had I done that in my younger days I would have noticed that the three or four guys I paid so much to for so little...didnt even promote a line of dogs and hunt any the pups they were producing. They were buying up Gr.Nt.Ch. females...breeding to the flavor of the month stud or as was popular then...going back to a stud that had worked well the first time and then selling every pup for 500-1000 bucks to who ever had the money in hand. They never asked how hard do you hunt, have you ever started a pup before or do you competition hunt...because they didnt care. Their motivation was the money.
I have had people contact me about getting a pup and get a little miffed when I start grilling them with questions to try to get a feel as to whether this is the right person to place a pup with....most who have got one from me can attest to this. Some have even said...If I have the money...what does it matter if I competition hunt or have ever trained a dog before?
I tell them ....because I made this cross for a reason...and I want these pups to get the chance to show me that all my homework and choices leading up to the cross were correct or a mistake...and how can I know that if every pup does not get equal opportunity?
Some say well, once I buy it I can do what I want...and thats when I say...your right...but maybe you should get a pup from someone who only cares whether or not you have the money!
I think this is a topic that interests us all at one time or another in this sport because most all of us will be a buyer or seller.
Good luck to everyone...shane

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I think $300-$350 for a well bred pup is cheap.I know I'm not alone when I say I've traveled along way or sent a female along way to get her bred only to have spent $500 if not more and not got a pup out of the breeding.There is no guarantees on either end of the pup equation .I do think most guys will pay to get the best pup they can possibly get.I also think there is alot of guys and girls trying to make the best possible crosses they can and will pay the price to do that also.
The thing that really makes me shake my head about puppy prices is,all the planning,training ,road trips,money,wins and dedication it takes to put out a real nice pup,with a real nice pedigree ,out of real coondogs that are out of real coondogs is only worth $250 -$350 .I just don't understand why a real quality redbone pup is only worth that much to a coonhunter.Especially when the coonhunter's wife ,and in alot of cases the coonhunter himself,will spend between $600 and $2000 on an 8 week old Boxer,Bulldog,Shitzu,Sheperd,Lab,Labordoodle,Golde
n retriever,doberman,or who knows what ,that does nothing but eats and sheds hair all over the coonhunter's house. A good day for one of these high quality dogs is it didn't crap on the floor.Hey,I got one sitting right here beside me now,guarding the couch too,real bad under bite included.I hope everybody picks out a winner this year,there is alot of nice litters out there.

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I think $300-$350 for a well bred pup is cheap.I know I'm not alone when I say I've traveled along way or sent a female along way to get her bred only to have spent $500 if not more and not got a pup out of the breeding.There is no guarantees on either end of the pup equation .I do think most guys will pay to get the best pup they can possibly get.I also think there is alot of guys and girls trying to make the best possible crosses they can and will pay the price to do that also.
The thing that really makes me shake my head about puppy prices is,all the planning,training ,road trips,money,wins and dedication it takes to put out a real nice pup,with a real nice pedigree ,out of real coondogs that are out of real coondogs is only worth $250 -$350 .I just don't understand why a real quality redbone pup is only worth that much to a coonhunter.Especially when the coonhunter's wife ,and in alot of cases the coonhunter himself,will spend between $600 and $2000 on an 8 week old Boxer,Bulldog,Shitzu,Sheperd,Lab,Labordoodle,Golde
n retriever,doberman,or who knows what ,that does nothing but eats and sheds hair all over the coonhunter's house. A good day for one of these high quality dogs is it didn't crap on the floor.Hey,I got one sitting right here beside me now,guarding the couch too,real bad under bite included.I hope everybody picks out a winner this year,there is alot of nice litters out there.

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Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Billy the Kid
Dual Gr.Ch.- PKC Ch. Outlaw Timber Girl
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Scarlett Fever
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2013 AKC Ladies World Champion
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Gr.Nt.Ch. - PKC Ch. Ky Moonlight Woody
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Dual Grand Ch.- PKC Ch. Moonlight AfterShock
Dual Grand Nighty Night Amber
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Big Time Britt
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Gr.Nt.Ch-PKC Ch.-2015 PKC Red Days Champ Outlaw Cherry Bomb
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Breeze
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man (over $20.000 won in PKC & CHKC) 2019 Southern Redbone Days Overall Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Mac
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My hat is off to the guys that raise well bred pups. I am not a breeder and typically do not like to raise puppies but definitely realize the hard work and commitment it takes to make good crosses. Shane this is definitely a good question. I believe that if the hunters have done some homework and know the true meaning of what it takes to make a good cross they should be more than happy to give a good price for a puppy that they are planning to spend the next year or lifetime in the woods with.. Puppies are not a sure thing and what I mean by that is there is no guarantee that they will rise to the expectations of the owner but they are definitely well worth the chance. I believe that a worker is worthy of his hire and needs to be fully compensated for his time and efforts. I know you travel and spend alot of money trying to better the breed and for that, I believe that you shouldn't do it for free or even. I have also heard many old timers say that you never make more money than you spend in this game... I think that the history of your pups from previous crosses will help determine the price on upcoming litters. If you have a good percentage and previous crosses have done outstanding then you should be able to set your price based on the success and percentage that has already been proven.... With that being said I am no breeder and I know nothing about genetics. I just like a good competition coondog and I realize that a good competition dog once was a puppy that someone gave a chance.

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Pricing a pup just has to be fair for both sides . If a breeder invests more in travel and vet bills to get a special cross done then they need fair compensation. If the bloodline has proven itself to be one that reproduces and is high quality the price should reflect to limited availability. Breeders need to make sure papers are in order and puppies are very healthy and everyone should be happy. I have never charged some of the prices I see others get. But I have always felt like the price was fair and I believe the buyers have also. The one problem I see is that sometimes the first pup or two sell for the asking price and by the time the rest go the price is half or less. To me this isn't fair at all to the people that committed first to take a pup. JMO. Set a fair price and make sure all pay the same this is important. Unless they are partners or someone you work back and forth with all should pay the same amount for the same bred pup. Lastly, do not sell culls.

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I'm no breeder of Redbone pups, but I make a cross about 1x per year to keep myself in dogs. Then I try to sell the rest for about $250 and only do UKC performance.

I think the answer to this question is pretty simple. I think it's just basic supply and demand. Is there a strong demand for Redbone pups? No. Is there a large supply of Redbone pups available? Yes. So supply is more than the demand.

Now, you can influence demand and try to make your pups seem more desirable by adding all the registrations. You can make all grand pedigrees, you can talk about performance lists, you can make whatever you want, but no matter what you do or how you spin the sale, at the end of the day, they are still just pups that eat, sleep and crap. In reality, you aren't selling a pup, you are selling the commodity of hope based off of expectations that may or may not be realistic.

The only thing in my mind that is going to mark a truly significant increase in demand for Redbone pups is a world hunt winning male.

Then you guys can get those Labradoodle prices for your well bred pups. LOL.

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I guess the underlying question is...just because you can get $750-$1000 for a pup....should you?
Knowing full well that probably half of those pups will never end up living up to the buyers expectations....can you look them in the eye two years later and say.... Well....everyone knows they dont all turn out.
I guess thats where I have doubts about pricing pups higher than I do. As a breeder who makes a few crosses a year...I want to hand everyone a pup they will be happy with. I hate to hear back later that some didnt live up to expectations. I hear from a lot of people who have just had an awful time buying pups over the years that really never lived up to their expectation and when I place one with them...I want more than anything for that pup to be the best they have ever had. One way I do this is to not over charge them and to target people who really want the kind of dogs I am breeding for. I am breeding for better competition dogs...so I try to only put my pups in the hands of competition hunters. Nothing against pleasure hunters...but my dogs might not suit them...they may have too much drive and be harder to handle for a pleasure hunter. I also think about all the young hunters out there just getting started out who cant afford a 300 dollar pup, let alone a 1000 dollar pup. Every year I take a few chances on young hunters who have not proven themselves as trainers or competition hunters .....yet. But have convinced me that they have a burning desire to train a dog and compete with it....so Every year I give several pups to young people and try to stay in touch to answer questions and encourage them along the way.
Hey look guys, I appreciate everyone who took the time to share their thoughts on here....nobody is wrong...we are just discussing breed related stuff while we wait for winter to come to an end. The redbone breed is special to me and probably everyone of you and talking about subjects that matter to all of us is important I think.
I have several females who have done some winning and now they are proving they can reproduce winners. Some are on the reproducer list and the performance point lists or have pups that are and I get a fair amount of interest when I breed them...so this thread was me trying to figure out how others feel about pup prices and get an idea of what buyers feel is a fair price for a pup. Having read every post on here I think I am in the right ball park on my pups. I doubt you will ever see me price puppies over $400 ea.....not because I dont think I could get people to pay that...but because I want people to feel they got a fair price for the chance they are taking. Good luck to everyone, I hope my friends on the east coast can make it through this snow storm!

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Hoosier Outlaw / Moonlight Redbones
1994 American Redbone Coonhound Association Hunter of the Year
My first 3 redbones raised from pup's were:
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Billy the Kid
Dual Gr.Ch.- PKC Ch. Outlaw Timber Girl
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Scarlett Fever
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2013 AKC Ladies World Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch.- PKC Ch- AKC Ladies World Ch Ky Moonlight Breanna
Gr.Nt.Ch. - PKC Ch. Ky Moonlight Woody
Dual Grand Moonlight Deana
Dual Grand Ch.- PKC Ch. Moonlight AfterShock
Dual Grand Nighty Night Amber
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Big Time Britt
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Billy Jean
Gr.Nt.Ch-PKC Ch.-2015 PKC Red Days Champ Outlaw Cherry Bomb
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Breeze
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man (over $20.000 won in PKC & CHKC) 2019 Southern Redbone Days Overall Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Mac
Gr.Nt.Ch. Classy Cali (Heavy Outlaw bred)
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Cat Scratch Fever
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Addiction
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Overdose
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Jinx
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Banshee
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...I also think about all the young hunters out there just getting started out who cant afford a 300 dollar pup, let alone a 1000 dollar pup. Every year I take a few chances on young hunters who have not proven themselves as trainers or competition hunters .....yet. But have convinced me that they have a burning desire to train a dog and compete with it....so Every year I give several pups to young people and try to stay in touch to answer questions and encourage them along the way.

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Pups For Sale....Gr Nt Ch Big Red Jim X Nt Ch L's Dark Timber Wilma.... PKC S/S and UKC Performance Program "Paid UP"....$500.... Need I say more? (But you know that I am going to.)

I sold my pups out of Jim X Wendy for $400 at 8 wks old. When they reached 4-5 mos old 4 people that had already bought a pup came back and bought another one for themselves or a friend that had seen theirs. I would say that they were happy with the price. The Jim X Wendy pups were not S/S is why they were only $400. If you think that your pups are only worth $200-$300, then that is what you should sell them for. I think that my pups are worth $400-$500 so that is what I sell them for. I should think that everyone would know what their pups were worth. I don't understand why they would have to ask someone else?

When I was younger, I would try to "place" pups and sell them to comp hunters only. I would give comp hunters special deals on pups. But too many times, the comp hunters quit hunting or resold the pups before they even got them started. So, I decided to just not ask any questions and sell them to whomever. I have sold several to pet owners only to have them or a family member start hunting them. I sold one to a little girl at Grand American one year for a pet. The next year an older gentleman came up to me at the Winter Classic and said that he was her Grandfather and the pup had turned out to be a really nice hound. You have no control over where a pup ends up after it leaves your hands.

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Jared Hutcherson just paid a hefty sum of money to "lease" a super nice female named Gr Nt Ch Kat who is a littermate to Gr Nt Ch Big Red Jim. He plans on breeding her to Gr Nt Ch Boone. Now this will be a "proven cross" on paper since Kat is bred the same as Jim and Boone is bred the same as Wendy. Now he will have to feed and house her for several months until she comes in heat. Then he will have to take her to Nevergone and pay to have her AI'd. Then he will have to feed and house her for 4 mos until the pups are weaned. He will also have to pay all of the costs to raise the pups up until 8 weeks old. Then he has to pay for all of the registration fees in 2 seperate registries. Just how much money do you think that he will have in these pups? I think that $700 would be a fair price for these pups. If anyone wants to get on the list for one just call Jared.

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I bred Gr.Nt.Ch. -PKC Ch. 2015 PKC Redbone Days Champion Outlaw Cherry Bomb to Gr.Nt.Ch. Greatful Dead Red by A.I. at Nevergone.
The pups will be registered in 3 registries, UKC, PKC, CHKC.
They will be nominated AND paid up in Performance program, Super Stakes, and CHKC Super Stud program.
She had 11 pups, I am giving about half to friends and people who have raised pups from my crosses before and selling the other half for $350 to new customers. I am also making a 12 hour diverted trip to southern days to drop off 4 or 5 pups along the way. If im lucky, I may break even when all is said and done....but I will have placed all of my pups in good hands of people who have shown they can train a pup and win with it in competition.
And thats just fine by me. Ive never had trouble getting pups in good hands and i dont want to start having trouble.
I didnt make this thread to find out what my pups are worth.. Or whats the absolute most money people would pay for pups....I made it to ask folks what they think is a fair price for well bred pups. I think there is a big difference between what a seller CAN get and what most buyers think is a fair price for the chance...or the risk if you will, that they are taking in buying a pup.
I know what I could get out of them if I wanted to price them higher...but I dont think I could get them all in the best hands that way.
Its worth it to me ...even if it costs me money...to make sure they go where they will get the best opportunity to prove themselves.
I guess some people look at this sport and this breed as what can it do for me...and I look at it as what can I do for this sport and the redbone breed...
I guess every resonse here is neither right nor wrong...its just individuals opinions... And its let me know how many folks feel so thanks for all the responses.
Good luck everybody!

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Proud lifetime member of the NRA
Banshee Wildlife Products
Hoosier Outlaw / Moonlight Redbones
1994 American Redbone Coonhound Association Hunter of the Year
My first 3 redbones raised from pup's were:
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Billy the Kid
Dual Gr.Ch.- PKC Ch. Outlaw Timber Girl
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Scarlett Fever
(((( Current Favorites ))))
2013 AKC Ladies World Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch.- PKC Ch- AKC Ladies World Ch Ky Moonlight Breanna
Gr.Nt.Ch. - PKC Ch. Ky Moonlight Woody
Dual Grand Moonlight Deana
Dual Grand Ch.- PKC Ch. Moonlight AfterShock
Dual Grand Nighty Night Amber
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Big Time Britt
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Billy Jean
Gr.Nt.Ch-PKC Ch.-2015 PKC Red Days Champ Outlaw Cherry Bomb
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Breeze
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man (over $20.000 won in PKC & CHKC) 2019 Southern Redbone Days Overall Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Mac
Gr.Nt.Ch. Classy Cali (Heavy Outlaw bred)
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Cat Scratch Fever
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Addiction
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Overdose
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Jinx
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Banshee
"Always outnumbered...Never outgunned!"
To enjoy lots of pics and videos of out redbones, find me on Facebook
as Shenandoah Maxey

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If we are breeding for ourselves and not money then it's not about the cost to make a cross it's about getting what you want to try. If your trying to recoup what you invest as far as money your doing it for the money. You recoupe when you make your pup from that cross the real deal otherwise why bother making the cross to begin with. There has never been money in this why must one try to continue to try and figure out how to make money. Spend as much time in that pup from them special super crosses as you do trying to figure out how to recoupe your money and I believe you'll be a lot happier than having green backs in your hand. $250 to $350 pending what they're paid up in I believe is more than fair.

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The annoying incremental costs of raising a litter are similar to feeding and caring for a grown one in my opinion, and not something I have ever "added" to the price I fetched for a pup, started or finished hound.

The best way to make, say, $20k coon hunting is start with $40k and in a few years you'll be at $20k.

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The best way to make, say, $20k coon hunting is start $40k and in a few years you'll be at $20k.

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Should proven crosses be worth more than a first time cross?

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