Registered: Dec 2012
Location: Indiana
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I was talking to an old timer that raises tree dogs the other day and he said he has bred full brother to a younger full sister with good results. I just bred aunt to nephew and the pups are young still young but sharp as a whistle and clean as a chrome pistol.

What's your experience been in this? I believe that you could breed up super close on the bottom side but wouldn't do it on the top. I wouldn't do father to daughter but would do mother to son. I was also told not to do this if you already had a tight bred female or male. But for the first time it works great.

Does anyone have a brother sister cross or something tight? How did it turn out?

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Registered: Dec 2012
Location: Pennsylvania
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The general consensus is half brother to half sister is tight enough

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If you breed aunt to nephew or uncle to niece or the half brother sister crosses that falls more into the rim of line breeding and once you leave it you enter the rim of inbreeding but if you want to keep a line pure or start a line you have to dabble on the dark side to do it,you have to watch on how tight the dogs you are breeding are line bred because if you inbreed to inbred or real tight bred dogs you can run into bad health problems,ive line bred and inbred as tight as you can go before and you have to be ready to cull out pups and i like to keep all the pups for a couple months to see if they are any problems before i let them leave here,one of the best crosses ive ever made was a grand sire back to a line bred grand daughter.

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I have bred a grandfather to granddaughter very pup in the litter is a year old and treeing coons they are clones of the mother when it comes to personality hunting ability and mouth the mouths are identical you cannot tell a couple of the pups apart from the mother when they are running a track

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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Indiana
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Sy,

I've been breeding tight to the same family of dogs for years......

Here is the "Secret" that is so simple that it escapes most folks.

If you are going to line breed, or in breed you must first have an intimate knowledge of the "line". Until you know how the great grandfather treed game, until you understand how the great-grandmother hunted....and you have hunted with and evaluated all of the ancestors, you can not possibly understand the value or the danger of breeding "tight".

Here is the reason why.... First you are going to be concentrating genetics and traits. Our first instinct is to believe that you will be concentrating what we see as positive....and in reality you are concentrating both positive AND negative traits.... That super dog that you have heard about may have had some bad habit or trait....and by doubling up on it, you have a greater chance of it expressing itself. This may be physical in nature, bad hips, hypothyroidism, seizures, or a list of other genetic based disorders...or it could be performance based....hot nosed, laziness, chewing or a whole host of performance based bad juju.

The single reason for "failure" of line breeding is not truly line breeding, but paper breeding. Just because this male is a half brother to this female, or just because this female is related in one way or another to this male is NOT true line breeding....it is paper breeding.

I submit to you that if you truly are line breeding, you are breeding related dogs (sharing one or more common ancestors) that are NOT ONLY RELATED BUT ARE SIMILAR IN TYPE AND STYLE. Simply put, if they don't look, taste, smell, and feel like the common ancestor, you are simply paper breeding.

I'm all for tight breeding, hung my hat on it years ago, but understanding that you are doubling up on the good, the bad, and the ugly is important.

I could write a book on this subject, as it's one that I'm passionate about.....but I'll stop now....

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Yeah, what Mr Newlin put so eloquently. Just remember to breed the dogs not the papers.

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I made a half bro half sister crossthe cross was decent on the ones that were handled rite made accurate coon treers smarter then most kids but the one trait all but one lacked was they like the 5/600 yards range at most and they will tree coons all around other dogs but they just didn't have the get gone in a hurry feature !!! Stilla positive cross imo

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