Registered: Sep 2014
Location: FLATWOODS SOUTH GA
Posts: 76

LET ME START OUT BY SAYING THIS:
1. In no way what so ever, should something like this ever get of the ground, take away or even stop any up and running youth program out there that any group is involved with!! They all are a succesful and should never be stoped for any reason.
2. Anything we can do for our youth to keep them involved is a PLUS!!
3. I do not have all the answers for something like this. But hopefully I can make a few suggestions that might start some conversations with everyone including the folks at UKC. So here it goes. Remember these are just IDEAS! That can be changed for the better I am sure.
A. Have two age groups. 13 and under, and 14 to 15
B. All dogs hunt together regardless of title. Keep youth cast scores seperate from regular cast score. The reason for all dogs hunting together is to allow for easier selection of youth cast.
C. There has to be a nonhunting judge that is not related to any of the youth on a particular cast or owns a dog in the cast.
D. Have seperate criteria that a dog needs to accomplish in order for a win on their title on a youth cast.

From here I know there is a lot that needs to be considered. Because as I said earlier I do not have all the answers. But I know to start with we need to keep it simple. And let the local clubs have this option any time they have a hunt. That when at least 2 youths show up, that meets the criteria, at a local hunt they can hunt against each other.

I have just noticed at all the local hunts that I have been attending in my area, I have seen a rapid decline in the attendance of all age groups. We need to involve our youth in our local hunts somehow. Especially the youth that has never comptition hunted before. This would provide a good chance for them to learn close to home. And this could help boost the attendance of youth programs away from home also. If we don't watch out the numbers at the major events will someday possibily start declining also.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Newton, North Carolina
Posts: 12262

Anyone that knows me will tell you im not politically correct, I believe everyone should be treated honestly and with respect, But this aint kindergarten, UKC is not a hall monitor, at 12-15 years old you had to have your parents or someone they trusted to get you there, either way They are responsible to look after you, if you get your feellings hurt and don't come back for 8 years I got news for you and something your Dad should have taut you, who cares Life Aint Fare, Its tuff so grow up and Play harder, we don't give out Participant trophy's we give out winning trophy's, if you get beat get a better dog and play harder, if you get cheated go tru the channels to make it rite like the rest of us, if you wont to practice the nite hunts Join your local coon club, go to all meetings hunt all the buddy hunts.

__________________
T.Osborne..Homemade Kennels!
Home Of.
GrNtCh Hardwood Bean 11/28/03 - 4/14/14.
GrNtCh Big Money
GrNtCh North Mt Mort
GrChGrNtCh T&R’s Homemade Trouble

GrNtChGrCh Homemade Josie.
Homemade Tank.
GrNtCh Hardwood Bean (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Abbotts Bawling Rebel (SEMEN)
GrNtChGrCh Tj's Stylish Lipper (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Nite Life Pay Dirt (SEMEN)
GrNtCh PKC Ch Poison Smoke (SEMEN)


HomeMade Kennels
Newton N.C
2010 SETWA BREEDER OF THE YEAR!!
(828) 302-5480

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2010
Location: New Paris, Indiana
Posts: 7076

quote:

---

Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Anyone that knows me will tell you im not politically correct, I believe everyone should be treated honestly and with respect, But this aint kindergarten, UKC is not a hall monitor, at 12-15 years old you had to have your parents or someone they trusted to get you there, either way They are responsible to look after you, if you get your feellings hurt and don't come back for 8 years I got news for you and something your Dad should have taut you, who cares Life Aint Fare, Its tuff so grow up and Play harder, we don't give out Participant trophy's we give out winning trophy's, if you get beat get a better dog and play harder, if you get cheated go tru the channels to make it rite like the rest of us, if you wont to practice the nite hunts Join your local coon club, go to all meetings hunt all the buddy hunts.

---

__________________
UKC Nite Champion Stylish Harry's Trixie - 2017 World Hunt Qualified - Owners - Sizemore/Martin
PKC CH/UKC GrNtCh Stylish Kate - 9/12/08 to 9/23/2016 R.I.P - Owners Sizemore/Martin
AKC/UKC NtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jeff 5/2/2000 to 1/22/2012 R.I.P.
AKC/UKC GrNtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jessi 12/21/04 to 1/21/2011 R.I.P.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2014
Location: S.E. IOWA
Posts: 371

what will it be like when you are an old man trying to get across the street to your doctors appt when you are elderly??That same kid you say grow and toughn up to now may be the one who runs your a** over cause you were to slow, the whole time saying if you cant keep up ya have no place here in this society.
The hands you step on today may be the hands that are pushing your wheel chair tomorrow. There are winners and losers in every game and kids should be taught this but they also need a place to learn the game and not in the shark tank. If the only way to learn to swim was by jumping in a tank of sharks you would prob just stay out of the water.

__________________
Morgan Branch Kennels:
" where quality comes first "

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Oct 2006
Location: mechanicsburg, Oh
Posts: 1184

quote:

---

Originally posted by morgan branch
what will it be like when you are an old man trying to get across the street to your doctors appt when you are elderly??That same kid you say grow and toughn up to now may be the one who runs your a** over cause you were to slow, the whole time saying if you cant keep up ya have no place here in this society.
The hands you step on today may be the hands that are pushing your wheel chair tomorrow. There are winners and losers in every game and kids should be taught this but they also need a place to learn the game and not in the shark tank. If the only way to learn to swim was by jumping in a tank of sharks you would prob just stay out of the water.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: May 2008
Location: indiana
Posts: 760

I'm against it for the sole reason that I went to quite a few youth hunts with some young boys I hunt with this year and there honestly a joke. Circling very obvious slick trees and not minus kids for things they deserve minus for! Then they turn 18 and wanna argue constantly cause they don't know the rules... I hunted youth hunts when I could and I learnt a lot more by hunting with adults

__________________
Tuff river kennels
Owned by: Dustin Marcum and Eddie Holliday
GR NITE CH 'PR' Tuff River Skinner(rip)
GR NITE CH PR' Tuff River Angel
GR NITE CH PKC CH PR' Tuff River Crank
RIP GR NITE CH PR' Marcum's Wild Solo (handler)

Last edited by dustin15 on 12-01-2015 at 08:07 PM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Newton, North Carolina
Posts: 12262

quote:

---

Originally posted by morgan branch
what will it be like when you are an old man trying to get across the street to your doctors appt when you are elderly??That same kid you say grow and toughn up to now may be the one who runs your a** over cause you were to slow, the whole time saying if you cant keep up ya have no place here in this society.
The hands you step on today may be the hands that are pushing your wheel chair tomorrow. There are winners and losers in every game and kids should be taught this but they also need a place to learn the game and not in the shark tank. If the only way to learn to swim was by jumping in a tank of sharks you would prob just stay out of the water.

---

__________________
T.Osborne..Homemade Kennels!
Home Of.
GrNtCh Hardwood Bean 11/28/03 - 4/14/14.
GrNtCh Big Money
GrNtCh North Mt Mort
GrChGrNtCh T&R’s Homemade Trouble

GrNtChGrCh Homemade Josie.
Homemade Tank.
GrNtCh Hardwood Bean (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Abbotts Bawling Rebel (SEMEN)
GrNtChGrCh Tj's Stylish Lipper (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Nite Life Pay Dirt (SEMEN)
GrNtCh PKC Ch Poison Smoke (SEMEN)


HomeMade Kennels
Newton N.C
2010 SETWA BREEDER OF THE YEAR!!
(828) 302-5480

Last edited by nitehunter2004 on 12-01-2015 at 08:39 PM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2014
Location: S.E. IOWA
Posts: 371

the rules are the rules plus minus or delete... If the judges that do not enforce these rules they are now the ones doing the injustice. I will never say there should be a paticipation trophy i dont believe in it. The youth of today should be ttaught there is always a winner and a loser. Not every boy gets the girl or not everyone gets the job the are aplying for society as a whole does not know how to deal with rejection.Its kinda like in sports most will make the team due to the numbers being low because of competeing with internet lol or x box but not everyone will get to play.If you want the varsity spot you must work harder than the rest, if you want the next world nt champ coonhound you must put in the extra work.The question originally asked was at local hunts not the bigger stages of our events but the local sat night ukc hunts.The kids do need a way to get involved without getting burned by a handler that knows the rules inside and out and how to turn the black to grey or to use every situation to his or her advantage,but on the same note need to be able to learn the rules and learn to deal with defeat and shake hands and congrats when its all said and done. Think about this for a minute if your son or daughter wanted to play baseball or softball and they truley loved the sport or say football,how long do you think they would play if their very first game was against the yankees and then the next was against the royals and all they got was the weekly practices as a place to learn. We start our kids in youth football league ,hockey leagues littleleague baseball,but when it comes to the coonhunts lets send them out with the pros or stay home. How many do you think will come back if all they get the first couple times they go is hosed by a couple guys that are ""pushing the next big thing and NEEEEDS this win". long story short put them on an even playing field where they can learn and get better or decide its not for them. As a parent we dont get our kids a car without first teaching them to drive!!

__________________
Morgan Branch Kennels:
" where quality comes first "

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Western NC
Posts: 1529

quote:

---

Originally posted by nitehunter2004
You just proved my point and just so you know I sure would hate to get ran over LOL!! If my dad had ever dropped me off to swim with the sharks I better get to swimming.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Newton, North Carolina
Posts: 12262

Now you know why i look both ways two times LOL, i must be getting old cause I thought we was talking about coon hunting.

__________________
T.Osborne..Homemade Kennels!
Home Of.
GrNtCh Hardwood Bean 11/28/03 - 4/14/14.
GrNtCh Big Money
GrNtCh North Mt Mort
GrChGrNtCh T&R’s Homemade Trouble

GrNtChGrCh Homemade Josie.
Homemade Tank.
GrNtCh Hardwood Bean (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Abbotts Bawling Rebel (SEMEN)
GrNtChGrCh Tj's Stylish Lipper (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Nite Life Pay Dirt (SEMEN)
GrNtCh PKC Ch Poison Smoke (SEMEN)


HomeMade Kennels
Newton N.C
2010 SETWA BREEDER OF THE YEAR!!
(828) 302-5480

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Clarksville, AR
Posts: 1077

Against it.
1. Big potential to open a can of worms at every hunt. Adults that don't know the rules always claim they're getting cheated. Can you imagine how they'd howl if their kid went to the woods and didn't always come back a winner?
2. Just another headache to pile on the two or three guys that are struggling to keep clubs operational as it is.
3. Plenty of options for youth events without UKC sanctioning it. Why not just have a club hunt..?
I could go on but I won't.

If a kid wants to learn, that kid's momma or daddy needs to haul them around as a spectator, or make arrangements for them to spectate on a cast. Better yet, that parent can enter their kid up and spectate. That way the kid learns as they go and they aren't an encumbrance to someone else. When and if my kid shows an interest, that's how we'll do it.

Unless I can find a better handler to show her how not to give a cast away like her daddy...

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2014
Location: S.E. IOWA
Posts: 371

this is my point. {2 or 3 guys struggling to keep a club going} why are they struggling ? no new members? where does a club get its members? new people getting into the sport or from another club they don't like anymore. How many 40 yr olds that all of a sudden they decide they want to start coon hunting? All things to think about when your trying to promote your club and have better turn outs at the hunts they have. Young blood = new blood=more members =bigger hunts= more $ =clubs last longer.... all totaling to our sport surviving..... after all kids can turn on cable and watch all kinds of deer hunting show on any given day.hhhhmmmm probly looks fun to them and way easier to get into and these are the kids that are going to be buying the land 10 or 15 yrs down the road so theycan deer hunt on and who in the world would let dogs run off all their deer.. see my point guys it all comes back to you.

__________________
Morgan Branch Kennels:
" where quality comes first "

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Feb 2010
Location: southeast alabama
Posts: 180

Coming from a guy that takes and pays entries for two youth at least twice a month. I think it is a good idea in theory, but the wrong idea. The no votes have already stated the reasons why. I do however agree that we need to make sure we are involving youth as much as possible.

I am also encouraging another local youth to start attending hunts and speak or text daily with another young man that I have never seen (4 hours away) giving hunting tips and encouragement.

I recieved a text from him today, " You just don't know how much I appreciate your help, not many folks will take time to talk to a young person." Thats how you keep youth involved. They don't mind losing and learning. They just need someone to take the time to teach them. Not all of them have dads that hunt.

The youth events are wonderful but MAN up take a kid and teach a kid.

__________________
Brian Garner

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2014
Location: S.E. IOWA
Posts: 371

all points are well taken. I have 4 kids 3 college grads and a 14 yr old daughter they have all coon hunted with me from day one and still do.I can count a lot of kids in our area that ive helped get into coonhunting with the thought I have a club could have a youth cast with no dog title points being earned, cause that would open a whole can of worms, but have a cast of youth broke down into 12 and under and 13 to 16 all dogs together regardless of degree. and be hunting for a trophy and lower the entry fee for this cast to 5$. This would give the clubs a way to get youth involved and not effect the title program we have in place now. The ones who catch on and want to move up and title their hound and hunt for champ pts have that option.This is only a thought and a way to get the youth of today and the adults of tomorrow involved with an avenue to get their feet wet. Also if we implement this we can advertise it along with our regular ukc hunts. I would gladly leave my dog in the box to guide and judge a cast of youth wanting to learn the ropes.at the possibility if them having a love of the sport and becoming a life long coonhunter that will come back and hunt at our club again because it was a good experience instead of something that left a bad taste in their mouth.

__________________
Morgan Branch Kennels:
" where quality comes first "

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Palmyra, Missouri
Posts: 9989

quote:

---

Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Now you know why i look both ways two times LOL, i must be getting old cause I thought we was talking about coon hunting.

---

__________________
PKC CH GRANDNITECH SPLIT CREEK HISTORY BUDDY HTX (RIP)
NITECH GRCH SHANNON'S HILLBILLY HANGOVER (RIP)
NITECH GRCH SHANNON'S HILLBILLY COOKIE HTX & PKC MONEY WON ( 3 times World Qualifier) (RIP)
NITECH GRCH HTX PR SHANNON'S HILLBILLY CHIEF 1 WIN FROM GRANDNITECH
PR SHANNON’S HILLBILLY MAXIE

If you can read this thank a TEACHER
If you can read this in English, thank a VETERAN

www.freewebs.com/shannonshowmekennels

United States Army Retired

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2014
Location: Flatwoods of South Ga
Posts: 40

For all you that are against it, answer this why do we have a senior cast?

__________________
Cohen Crosby
912-592-1730
Home of:
Grnitech'PR' Five-Star Cooner HTX

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2014
Location: FLATWOODS SOUTH GA
Posts: 76

Let me try and clear up a few things if i can.
Never would want to hand out trophies just for being there. I feel the same way about that as everyone else. Dogs will still need to have plus points to win a cast regardless. Youth will have to follow same hunt rules as they are now. Therefor by making those mistakes they will learn. For it to work properly would need to seperated from regular cast at a local hunt. So that it does not take away anything from those you are competing at a diggerent level. Cast wins for a youth will need to meet a different set of criteria if all dogs hunt together regardless of degree. As I stated before this should be a local club decision to have a youth cast or not. May not have any youth to show up at some clubs anyway. (After reading some of these post, couldn't understand why.) But for the clubs that do, should be some way to structure this so you could put them on a cast. I myself have had the chance to guide and judge youth cast on several ocassions. The most fun a man can have. Not for everone I am sure of that. Just hope that UKC would take a look at it and keep everybodys concerns in mind and see if something could get off the ground.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Newton, North Carolina
Posts: 12262

quote:

---

Originally posted by Five-Star
For all you that are against it, answer this why do we have a senior cast?

---

__________________
T.Osborne..Homemade Kennels!
Home Of.
GrNtCh Hardwood Bean 11/28/03 - 4/14/14.
GrNtCh Big Money
GrNtCh North Mt Mort
GrChGrNtCh T&R’s Homemade Trouble

GrNtChGrCh Homemade Josie.
Homemade Tank.
GrNtCh Hardwood Bean (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Abbotts Bawling Rebel (SEMEN)
GrNtChGrCh Tj's Stylish Lipper (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Nite Life Pay Dirt (SEMEN)
GrNtCh PKC Ch Poison Smoke (SEMEN)


HomeMade Kennels
Newton N.C
2010 SETWA BREEDER OF THE YEAR!!
(828) 302-5480

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2014
Location: S.E. IOWA
Posts: 371

good luck to all I didn't mean to piss on anybody's poptart just saying the youth will some day be the ones taking care of us and if we all have the go big or go home little boy attitude it s gonna be a long lonely stay at the nursing home some day. you reap what you sew . im out

__________________
Morgan Branch Kennels:
" where quality comes first "

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Clarksville, AR
Posts: 1077

No reason that this can't be a civil discussion, and I for one feel that it's worth talking about. Coon hunting in general and UKC hunts in particular are drying up on the vine around here, and once it's gone it's gone. I just don't see youth casts as the answer, or even as a viable part of the answer.

To answer the question from above, the difference in a youth cast and a senior cast is that a senior cast can operate independently, and a youth cast can't. The sad reality is that a lot of folks would use it as a babysitter so that they could hunt themselves. Clubs (many of them anyway) simply don't have the members or day-of-event support to facilitate youth casts.

Participation starts way before entering up. Get those kids to a bench show. Have day games once a month. Take them PLEASURE hunting, or let them SPECTATE all they want. When they think they're ready, invite them to hunt, treat them FAIRLY, and use every possible opportunity to make LEARNING FUN...

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2012
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 4881

quote:

---

Originally posted by morgan branch
good luck to all I didn't mean to piss on anybody's poptart just saying the youth will some day be the ones taking care of us and if we all have the go big or go home little boy attitude it s gonna be a long lonely stay at the nursing home some day. you reap what you sew . im out

---

__________________
Eddie Harp
918-448-7321
Laelaps Pro Staff
Southern Thunder Bluetick Kennels


HOME OF: GRNITECH GRCH PR HAMLIN'S DAVIE CROCKET HTX
2015 TRIPLE CROWN CHAMPION
2015 PURINA RACE BREED CHAMPION
2013, 2014, 2015 BBOA ZONE 7 KING OF HUNT, HIGH SCORE, DOUBLE CAST WINNER
2015 AUTUMN OAKS NATIONAL GRNITECH BLUETICK
2015 AUTUMN OAKS GRAND 16
2015 AUTUMN OAKS BBOA / BBCHA HIGH SCORING BLUETICK
2015 WINTER CLASSIC DOUBLE CAST WINNER PURINA POINTS EVENT
2015 WINTER CLASSIC BBOA HIGH SCORING BLUETICK
2015 ARKANSAS STATE PURINA CONTENDER CAST WINNER / HIGH SCORE
2015 MISSOURI STATE PURINA CONTENDER CAST WINNER / HIGH SCORE
2015 OKLAHOMA STATE PURINA CONTENDER CAST WINNER
2015 KENTUCKY STATE PURINA CONTENDER CAST WINNER
2015 INDIANA STATE PURINA CONTEDER CAST WINNER
2015 BBOA ZONE 7 CHAMPION / DOUBLE CAST WINNER / HIGH SCORE / KING OF HUNT
2015 BBOA TEXAS STATE CHAMPION / HIGH SCORE / KING OF HUNT
2015 BBOA / WESTERN ENGLISH SHOOTOUT DOUBLE CAST WINNER / HIGH SCORE / KING OF HUNT
2015 UNITED ENGLISH ARKANSAS STATE CHAMPIONSHIP CHAMPION / HIGH SCORE OVERALL CHAMPION
2015 BBOA YOUTH NATIONALS CAST WINNER 2ND OVERALL HIGH SCORE
2015 BBOA ZONE 7 HOUND OF THE YEAR
2015 BBOA/BBCHA GRAND REUNION RQE 1ST PLACE IOWA
2015 BBOA NATIONAL BLUETICK DAYS INVITATIONAL CAST WINNER / 1ST RUNNER UP
2015 ELBERT VAUGHN MEMORIAL CHAMPION
2015 BILL JACKSON MEMORIAL CHAMPION
2015 BOOMER SOONER CLASSIC CHAMPION
2015 WESTERN ENGLISH SPRING CLASSIS CAST WINNER
2015 OKLAHOMA STATE YOUTH CHAMPIONSHIP CAST WINNER
2015 BLUETICK CHALLENGE CHAMPION
2015 BBOA OKLAHOMA STATE CHAMPION / DOUBLE CAST WINNER / HIGH SCORE / KING OF HUNT
2015 UKC WORLD HUNT CAST WINNER
2016 PURINA NATIONALS CAST WINNER / BREED CHAMPION / HIGH SCORING BLUETICK
5 Time World Qualifier and 3 Peat Zone Champion
Too many wins to list them all

Jesus is Lord!

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Oct 2006
Location: mechanicsburg, Oh
Posts: 1184

Everybody has there own opinions but as far as our experience in the last few years I've seen more rule bending and bad calls made as far as scoring goes in adult events.. We attend plenty of youth events each year as well as regular events. In all but a few youth hunts we've had a good non hunting judge that made kids step up and take minus.. Also took the time to explain why the judgment calls were made.. We've had a lot of good cast in regular events as well but by far the circling of slicks, every tree is a den, strike the first dog that barks no matter who's it really is has went on in the regular events.. That's just our experience..

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Oct 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 2633

quote:

---

Originally posted by morgan branch
what will it be like when you are an old man trying to get across the street to your doctors appt when you are elderly??That same kid you say grow and toughn up to now may be the one who runs your a** over cause you were to slow, the whole time saying if you cant keep up ya have no place here in this society.
The hands you step on today may be the hands that are pushing your wheel chair tomorrow. There are winners and losers in every game and kids should be taught this but they also need a place to learn the game and not in the shark tank. If the only way to learn to swim was by jumping in a tank of sharks you would prob just stay out of the water.

---

Last edited by msinc on 12-02-2015 at 08:19 AM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Feb 2010
Location: southeast alabama
Posts: 180

What morgan branch is talking about will only work for a couple of hunts. The youth will only want to hunt at the "little kids table for so long." They will soon want to hunt with the big dogs. I don't know how many of you that are talking like the youth don't not what they are doing, have ever been with many. You take a kid that has no other responsibilities and can coonhunt most every night, after a few nite hunts he can lay a whipping on you. I have been to UKC, PKC youth worlds and state hunts. They are tough.

__________________
Brian Garner

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2014
Location: S.E. IOWA
Posts: 371

First thing let me back up and apologize I was not implying i "want anyone to get run over" . I was however trying to get the point across our kids need a place to start. positive role models and positive examples will lead to a better kid. How many kids do you see now days with their pants hangin around their butt? get a belt.. Yes it all starts at home not at the expense of a hunting member, i agree a hunt is not a daycare., but again if the youth got a place to start out at a hunt " on an even playing feild" ex against other youth, it may encourage more to become involved. UKC has youth hunts,and they do a great job at it. This was supposed to be a discusion on the topic so that is what i was doing trying to bring in a different point of view.My point of the getting ukc involved if we established a youth cast at some of the local hunts with a minimal entry fee,and WERE NOT HUNTING FOR DOG TITLES so it wouldnt take away from the title system we have now, it would be an avenue to get the youth involved. Guys plain and simple our youth are our tommorows leaders. The deer hunting has turned into a billion dollar industry,how bout coon hunting? It is the deer hunters that have the new lawyer fresh out of college at the state capital that is trying to make it to where we cant run hounds on state ground, or out law the right to retrieve, they simply out number us 10 to 1 atleast.How do we make our numbers grow???? proper promoting !!! If we all have the run with the big dogs or dont run at all where will we be in twenty years when it is dailey becoming harder to get private land to hunt on due to deer hunters leasing it up.My kids started out going to the regular hunts with the adults and i have seen it go both ways personally the ones that had a good experiance are still comp hunting the others that left with a bad experiance by getting the shaft by rule benders and slick handlers truely have no desire to comp hunt to be honest he cant stand it, so where does that leave me when its time to come up with a quality guide at our next big hunt at our club? Guys there is only one alpha in every litter so do we cull the whole litter except for the aplha?? no somtimes it is the runt or the one that was off all by hisself that turns out to be the good one. When we start pups we send them out with a pup trainer for a hound not a trash running aligator tree dog to try to teach them the ropes then we send them out by themselves so when they come back down the road all grown up and draw the mean dog or trash runner they know right from wrong and do whats right. This was my only point from the get go lets get them invloved,teach them right,and grow our sport to last with a quality kid that you would be happy to draw out with at the world hunt because he was taught the right way not the screw or be screwed way.

__________________
Morgan Branch Kennels:
" where quality comes first "

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged