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Judging from the scores at Oak Harbor and Upper Sandusky this past weekend, it looks like winter is over. Coons are out again and the leaves are on. The big hunts have moved back up North where the woods are small and the coons are thick. It is time to bring those big score dogs out. Just what type of dog does it take to win with a big score? I am talking about winning your cast when you score on 4-8 coons. Is it just the dog or does it take a certain style of handler also? Can the same dog and handler that wins when you only tree 1-2 coons win when you tree 4-8 coons?

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They were out did you see the big scores at walker days ??

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Leafs are coming but not here yet
Need a dog that gets a peace of every thing
One that looks to get alone but if a dog finds a track before them they will cover it
If you can get a cast of this type of dogs you can tree a lot of coon in 2 hours your split trees are still there for the taking because it isn't uncommon to have more then one track going in short order
Not that a loner can't get a big score and win but they can slow the pace of the cast and some time in the hunt a dog that will cover will steal some tree points off ya and your strike points will be lower though out the night
Speed speed speed
Can a dog like this win in thin coon yes if there accurate in thick coon a good one can make up a slick little tuffer to do in thin coon
A dog in thick coon have a advantage if you want to see how or what they will do in thin coon just hunt on bad nights/weather when coon are denned up

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"I think" a big score dog has to be very quick and not very independant. They have to get first strike. A fourth strike dog can not run up a big score. A one bark tree dog helps a bunch. You need to be able to tree them on a locate. When they locate, they need to be treed, no moving on or settling in. The handler must also be quick to strike them and quick to tree them. You can't "lay back". It takes a good handler to run up a big score. Down here they call them "bucket dogs". But in the summertime you need one like that to win big up North.

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Big score dogs are fast at everything. strike, track, tree. they also have a coon when they do get hooked. There is not a lot of them.

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Now then, what about the consistant cast winning dogs. I mean those dogs that seem to always win their cast even though they don't have a big score. What does it take to be a consistant cast winner?

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I beleive it takes a dog that's consistent . It's takes a dog that can adapt to any hunting style. Dogs that can run and compete in thick coons and dogs that are able to find one when there isn't very many coons around. Also a dog that doesn't draw minus very often. I beleive that these "type" dogs are harder to come by than some. Some of your great "big score dogs" will do good when there is something to tree but they will usually draw some minus when going gets tough. You are right Richard, it's hard to be the "babbler me toing dog" in thick coon. Just my opinion.

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I've seen other reasons for big scores but they don't have a lot to do with the dogs. lol

talking buckets ,not pencils.

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NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
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Is there any lines of dogs that produce that kind of dog fast everything all the time consistently.

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I've seen other reasons for big scores but they don't have a lot to do with the dogs. lol

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Jared is right Richard. A dog that wins their cast consistantly takes very few or no minus points. You can't lose what you gain and beat the two or three dogs you are competing against night after night.

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So does anyone have a big score Redbone that they can take to Sesser, Il this weekend?

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I don't guess that the leaves are out in Sesser yet either. It only took 375+ to get in last night. I wish that Bear and I could have been there.

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After giving it some thought and reading another post on here, I have decided that what it takes to be a big score dog is a "pack leader". Every litter has one and if you keep the whole litter long enough and watch them closely you will see him/her. The pack leader is the one that is always in the lead on everything, right or wrong.. He/she is the one that everyone is talking about when they come back in and say, "my dog backed that sorry Redbone on a possum". Or, "my dog didn't start that deer chase but he went along with that sorry Redbone". They fail to mention that their sorry go along dog also just backed that "sorry" Redbone on 2 or 3 coons. Some people call them a "first and first" kind of dog. I myself would rather have a pack leader than a super independant dog that has to be by themselves to win. But that is just my personal preference. Most of those super independant dogs have to be by themselves to win a cast because they can't beat the other dogs on a coon. Most loners are that way because they can't get along with others in my opinion. If you have a pack leader, you can hunt them in a pack. You don't have to hunt them by themselves all of the time. They don't learn from the pack. The pack learns from them. But every pack can only have one leader so there are a lot more followers than their are pack leaders out there.

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After giving it some thought and reading another post on here, I have decided that what it takes to be a big score dog is a "pack leader". Every litter has one and if you keep the whole litter long enough and watch them closely you will see him/her. The pack leader is the one that is always in the lead on everything, right or wrong.. He/she is the one that everyone is talking about when they come back in and say, "my dog backed that sorry Redbone on a possum". Or, "my dog didn't start that deer chase but he went along with that sorry Redbone". They fail to mention that their sorry go along dog also just backed that "sorry" Redbone on 2 or 3 coons. Some people call them a "first and first" kind of dog. I myself would rather have a pack leader than a super independant dog that has to be by themselves to win. But that is just my personal preference. Most of those super independant dogs have to be by themselves to win a cast because they can't beat the other dogs on a coon. Most loners are that way because they can't get along with others in my opinion. If you have a pack leader, you can hunt them in a pack. You don't have to hunt them by themselves all of the time. They don't learn from the pack. The pack learns from them. But every pack can only have one leader so there are a lot more followers than their are pack leaders out there.

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Don't respond to much, but if the whole cross is just mediocre then a lot of good it did to follow the leader! Don't continue to breed follow the leaders!

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So, is it allright to breed a litter of mediocre dogs as long as they are always by themselves? But if the whole cross are good dogs then the leader is a great dog. Don't breed follow the leaders, breed leaders.

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Good Luck with that philosophy! Who teaches the leader? If he isn't focused on what he is doing and using natural instinct and determination, and independence, then they can all stand on their heads, or by your side!!!

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All of the winningest dogs in most registries throughout history are dogs that are single minded, and go about their business regardless of what others do! they don't try to get away from other dogs! They just don't care what others do because they don't need they're help!

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....Now that sounds like a leader to me....
And every pack of beagles has a leader. They just all run the same rabbit. What if one beagle always went off and ran his own rabbit.

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After giving it some thought and reading another post on here, I have decided that what it takes to be a big score dog is a "pack leader". Every litter has one and if you keep the whole litter long enough and watch them closely you will see him/her. The pack leader is the one that is always in the lead on everything, right or wrong.. He/she is the one that everyone is talking about when they come back in and say, "my dog backed that sorry Redbone on a possum". Or, "my dog didn't start that deer chase but he went along with that sorry Redbone". They fail to mention that their sorry go along dog also just backed that "sorry" Redbone on 2 or 3 coons. Some people call them a "first and first" kind of dog. I myself would rather have a pack leader than a super independant dog that has to be by themselves to win. But that is just my personal preference. Most of those super independant dogs have to be by themselves to win a cast because they can't beat the other dogs on a coon. Most loners are that way because they can't get along with others in my opinion. If you have a pack leader, you can hunt them in a pack. You don't have to hunt them by themselves all of the time. They don't learn from the pack. The pack learns from them. But every pack can only have one leader so there are a lot more followers than their are pack leaders out there.

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in my opinion.

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I never claimed to be very "profound".
So, I wonder why most loners are always by themselves?

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Richard if you come up with one of them loners send them to south Arkansas.

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Leonard, you know that you can't learn anything from a teacher or a pack. You have to learn it on your own. And you sure won't learn anything from my opinions. They can change from week to week.
Scotty, it is just my "personal" preference but I will take a leader over a loner anytime. I am not saying that one is any better or more desireable than the other but it is just my personal preference.
Some "leaders".......
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Gr Nt Ch and 2 X UKC World Champion Redbone Ramey's Tree Jammin Dixie
Gr Nt Ch and 2 X UKC World Hunt Top 20 Moonlight Kate
Gr Nt Ch and UKC World Champion Redbone Montana Red Mt Ranger
Gr Nt Ch Long Tall Sally
Gr Nt Ch T-Top Dark Timber Moose
Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rabble Rouser
Gr Nt Ch Farr's Rambling Red Little Zack
Gr Nt Ch Hutch's Big Walnut Boone
Now in the interest of fairness, I will list a couple of loners....
Gr Nt Ch and UKC 4th place World Champion Redbone Jackpot Jackie
Gr Nt Ch and UKC Redbone World Champion Layton's Classi Calli

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