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Personally I think there needs to be one thing added to the ranks. The 100 pups eliminates so many studs. I get they don't want a single repeated cross to get a hound on there. I think it should be changed to 100 pups or any stud that has more titled hounds on the ground than the top 10 100 pup studs should go on it. By requiring the 100 pups totally it is causing a few to just breed to get 100 pups plus it leaves some reproducers off the list. I don't prefer studs having to breed those extra pups when they are not needed. I wish that would be considered. Are there any other ideas. I do like their being a reproducers list for sure. Thanks

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But, very few pick a stud because he's on the list, most breedings are bloodline oriented, or some thing else, so until that changes it's not going to factor in that much as far as breeding and out come is concerned.......Gerald

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the prob with not requiring at least 100 pups is that one cross or a couple supper reproducing females could put a dog on the list , the more pups your dog has on the ground the truer the numbers are

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this is true but you have to get the pups in completion hunters hands and that seems to be getting tougher and tougher?

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completion hunting that is

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The 100 pups may seem like a great idea, but it does cause stud owners to breed females that should NOT be bred to have pups. In other words, I personally know a stud owner that was very selective on what he bred his stud too... Now at almost 8 years old, he will get his 100 pups. But had he bred every female that came his way, how many worthless pups would have been created in the process? I am smart enough to know that all crosses produce duds,.... But doesn't it make more sense to try your best not to do that?
I do believe people look at that list, then at the breeding... Then decide. But with the amount of stud dogs out there, the lesser known studs will never get a chance. And as soon as the go historical, they fall off forever. I'd much rather breed to a dog that has 50-60 pups on the ground and alot of nice dogs, than to a dog that has been bred to death to get their 100 nite chs... JMO

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The 100 pups may seem like a great idea, but it does cause stud owners to breed females that should NOT be bred to have pups. In other words, I personally know a stud owner that was very selective on what he bred his stud too... Now at almost 8 years old, he will get his 100 pups. But had he bred every female that came his way, how many worthless pups would have been created in the process? I am smart enough to know that all crosses produce duds,.... But doesn't it make more sense to try your best not to do that?
I do believe people look at that list, then at the breeding... Then decide. But with the amount of stud dogs out there, the lesser known studs will never get a chance. And as soon as the go historical, they fall off forever. I'd much rather breed to a dog that has 50-60 pups on the ground and alot of nice dogs, than to a dog that has been bred to death to get their 100 nite chs... JMO

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the prob with not requiring at least 100 pups is that one cross or a couple supper reproducing females could put a dog on the list , the more pups your dog has on the ground the truer the numbers are

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How about 50 or 60 pups from 5 or 6 females, each from a different bloodline. If a dog is a true reproducer he should cross well on most bloodlines not just one or two females from the same bloodline. Just an idea to be kicked around...........Timm

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It really don't matter. People will breed to what they want. I believe the list has some, but little influence on what they bred too. If your looking to see what's truly current, keep track of the Performance Lists. This along with the reproducers list, and keeping up with the info in bloodlines should provide you with a fair amount of info. If a dog male or female is reproducing the word usually gets out,NO LIST NEEDED.

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It really don't matter. People will breed to what they want. I believe the list has some, but little influence on what they bred too. If your looking to see what's truly current, keep track of the Performance Lists. This along with the reproducers list, and keeping up with the info in bloodlines should provide you with a fair amount of info. If a dog male or female is reproducing the word usually gets out,NO LIST NEEDED.

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I've thought about this for a while now, and all you guys have legit points.... If male A is bred to female A, and produces 8 pups, three of which turns out to be titled, that cross is made two more time's and produces the same results..... Male A can be bred to however many female's it takes to get 100 pups, and never have another pup to make a title, and will be on the reproduced list, my thinking is way outside the box, but am I right???

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Not exactly, it's calculated on the number of pups that make ntch vs the number of pups the stud has the more pups he has the more his percentage will go down, unless of coarse he has pups being titled out in the hunts, I'm not 100% sure but I believe it takes 1 ntch to off set 10 pups, but I may have missunderstood that.....Gerald

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I've thought about this for a while now, and all you guys have legit points.... If male A is bred to female A, and produces 8 pups, three of which turns out to be titled, that cross is made two more time's and produces the same results..... Male A can be bred to however many female's it takes to get 100 pups, and never have another pup to make a title, and will be on the reproduced list, my thinking is way outside the box, but am I right???

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Everybody is competing in the same way!! I honestly believe A LOT more unworthy males would be bred than already are if the numbers were lowered!

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yes that would be 9 pups that make NtCh and if the number of pups is 100 he would be at 9%

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We all know that some crosses work, and some don't, no matter how good the male, or female is.

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My father and few other old coon hunters have beat in my head the last few years you breed good dogs to good dogs, good breed dogs to good breed dogs you have the best chance of getting what you are looking for in a hound, it is still a shot in the dark but it is your best chance. Too many are breeding for the number 100 before they even know if their hound will produce anything at all. All this does is flood the market with worthless pups and drag down the breed. Some are doing a very good job with selective breeding and others are shooting from the hip every chance they get, lets get the lucky number 100! There will always be a few sneak through and make it but the majority will not! JMO and hope this does not offend anyone.

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My father and few other old coon hunters have beat in my head the last few years you breed good dogs to good dogs, good breed dogs to good breed dogs you have the best chance of getting what you are looking for in a hound, it is still a shot in the dark but it is your best chance. Too many are breeding for the number 100 before they even know if their hound will produce anything at all. All this does is flood the market with worthless pups and drag down the breed. Some are doing a very good job with selective breeding and others are shooting from the hip every chance they get, lets get the lucky number 100! There will always be a few sneak through and make it but the majority will not! JMO and hope this does not offend anyone.

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My father and few other old coon hunters have beat in my head the last few years you breed good dogs to good dogs, good breed dogs to good breed dogs you have the best chance of getting what you are looking for in a hound, it is still a shot in the dark but it is your best chance. Too many are breeding for the number 100 before they even know if their hound will produce anything at all. All this does is flood the market with worthless pups and drag down the breed. Some are doing a very good job with selective breeding and others are shooting from the hip every chance they get, lets get the lucky number 100! There will always be a few sneak through and make it but the majority will not! JMO and hope this does not offend anyone.

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Gr. Ch. Nite Ch Hillbilly's Smokey River Blue Dutch HTX..... Gr. Ch. Gr. Nite Ch Pr. Smokey River Tramp's Blue Lake and Pr. Misty River Blue Doll III.
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