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What is the rule for striking in the minute. Not looking for a opinion. Actually want the rule itself..... Some say the dog has to tree close some say the dog can't take the track 900 yards. Some say minus if the dog shuts up for 30 seconds. I'd just like to see the actual rule.

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(d) First offense failure to strike a dog on or
before the third bark, after the first minute
each time dog(s) is released will result in
those points being awarded and minused.

Is that what your talking about?

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(d) First offense failure to strike a dog on or
before the third bark, after the first minute
each time dog(s) is released will result in
those points being awarded and minused.

Is that what your talking about?

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d) First offense failure to strike a dog on or
before the third bark, after the first minute
each time dog(s) is released will result in
those points being awarded and minused.

Scratching offense
Handler Related Offense:
(j) On second offense if handler fails to strike his
dog on or before the third bark, after the first
minute, each time dog(s) is released.

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These are the only 2 rules I see about Striking after 1 minute.

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I may be wrong but here I go anyway. in ukc you don't have to strike a babbling dog before the minute is up. and that is the rule. this rule is here to give the dogs time to settle in after the excitement of being cast out. nothing in the rule about how the dog has to preform after being struck within the first minute.

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The one minute isn't a rule in the way your trying to think it is. It's an exception to the rule. There is no more penalty for striking inside the minute than there is at any other time. ALL the one minute means is that you don't HAVE to strike your dog UNTIL the one minute is up. It's only there to keep people from having to strike there dog on a babble. If your dog isn't a babbler or you simply know he/she struck off the lead then strike your dog and the same rules apply as striking your dog at any other time.

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Gives dogs a chance to settle in and not have to be struck in the excitement.

With that said there is also this made up rule of "carrying it out" that people that hunt babbling dogs have implemented over the years when in fact a simple cast vote will stop the babbling crap quick. If and I say IF you think a dog is babbling ask for a cast vote if the cast votes he is indeed babbling he is minused wether or not the dog barks constantly for 2 miles or any amount of distance. Use your cast keep is honest and do it right. Vote vote vote and ask ask ask.

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The other _KC's have rules about striking during the 1st minute. UKC does not.

The babbling rule in UKC is dogs opening where there is no apparent track. Some abuse this rule by not giving the benefit of doubt to the dog when they open in a branch while others never use it on dogs clearly opening while racing across an open field..

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has to care it to the tree he cant go 200 yrds to the rite the shut up then opens up 300 yrds to left.. as long if he barks his good

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has to care it to the tree he cant go 200 yrds to the rite the shut up then opens up 300 yrds to left.. as long if he barks his good

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has to care it to the tree he cant go 200 yrds to the rite the shut up then opens up 300 yrds to left.. as long if he barks his good

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Originally posted by tarriverwalkers
has to care it to the tree he cant go 200 yrds to the rite the shut up then opens up 300 yrds to left.. as long if he barks his good

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I had this discussion Friday night during and after a hunt. An old guy was wearing me out striking quick, so I mentioned something about it. He told me it did not matter cause his dog wasnt babbling. After the hunt I thought I would show him the rule, and there ain't one I could find.

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The rule is 4(c), with the * you go to rule 18 Definations. That is the rule that covers babbling.

A dog is ruled to be babbling when the judge or a majority of the cast says it is babbling. Simple as that.

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4 b) and 4 c) are the only rules to cover it. If the dog is not deemed to be babbling then he/she, or other struck dogs, has 8 minutes. So often rules are carried over, or misinterpreted, from one KC to another.

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Strikeing during the first minute is absolutely no different than strikeing your dog any other time in UKC.
The minute rule simply allows you to NOT strike your dog on or before the third bark during the first minute.

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Dog just has to bark within time limit for keeping strike open. Had a walker female that would wear a stopwatch out on the strike. She would bark about every 150 to 200 yds.

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So,just so I am reading this right as I not a big UKC hunter,if I drop off the chain and my dog opens I can strike he or she for 100,then if he or she is not determined by judge to be babbling then my 100 is safe?

I am one that is guilty of carrying over other clubs strike rule. I am always nervous to strike before the minute,no more.

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Correct

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I hate that there isn't a more black and white rule about this bc I've experienced a lot of negative hunts bc dogs collared barking there head off n as soon as they say cut em still barking and get struck knowing good and well there not on a track every drop of the hunt..
Yes I know it's at the discretion of the judge and majority of the cast but the problem is what if it's a hunting judge and one or two other dogs along with the judges dog babbling and they won't admit to it then I'm just sol..
Just my 2 cents

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some others as old as I can correct me on this if so needed. The original rule was that if a dog opens it had to be declared struck on or before the third bark or be penalized. As I understand it the breed representatives asked UKC to amend the rule because after hauling dogs great distances, lining dogs up before releasing them was causing normally honest strike dogs to get penalized for their excitement. So along comes the one minute rule that allowed dogs to open without having to be declared struck inside that minute. It was stated in the Adviser that striking within the first minute was no different from striking an hour into the hunt the 8 minute rule was what was the determining factor as to awarding minus points. The advisor also said that the babbling rule and the one minute rule were not connected, but the judge and cast were to decide on the babbling issue. As a side note it is nice that we have all these KC"s to hunt our hounds in but everyone should understand that baseball is not played using basketball rules and the same with the different hunt.

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some others as old as I can correct me on this if so needed. The original rule was that if a dog opens it had to be declared struck on or before the third bark or be penalized. As I understand it the breed representatives asked UKC to amend the rule because after hauling dogs great distances, lining dogs up before releasing them was causing normally honest strike dogs to get penalized for their excitement. So along comes the one minute rule that allowed dogs to open without having to be declared struck inside that minute. It was stated in the Adviser that striking within the first minute was no different from striking an hour into the hunt the 8 minute rule was what was the determining factor as to awarding minus points. The advisor also said that the babbling rule and the one minute rule were not connected, but the judge and cast were to decide on the babbling issue. As a side note it is nice that we have all these KC"s to hunt our hounds in but everyone should understand that baseball is not played using basketball rules and the same with the different hunt.

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So,just so I am reading this right as I not a big UKC hunter,if I drop off the chain and my dog opens I can strike he or she for 100,then if he or she is not determined by judge to be babbling then my 100 is safe?

I am one that is guilty of carrying over other clubs strike rule. I am always nervous to strike before the minute,no more.

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UNLESS the casts votes that the dog is babbling. A judge is there to keep the cast together and overall know the rules and give options not make decision (if hunting judge is used) always use the cast vote. Then it's agreed on. If it's a 2-2 vote on that situation the strike is deleted and you move on.

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