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Slow Starters

I've heard hundreds of tales about these pups treeing alone at 5 and 6 months old. I'd like to hear about the ones that started later and made pretty good dogs. Whether it's one someone else gave up on or one that you thought you were keeping too long. This might encourage some young hunter whose 8 month old isn't doing it alone.

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im old school i like a pup that laid back as long as it shows some progrees it may be me but usaly a slower starting pup will make a good dog once it starts but most of todays hunters expect way to much outa a 6-10 month old pup

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Re: jmo

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im old school i like a pup that laid back as long as it shows some progrees it may be me but usaly a slower starting pup will make a good dog once it starts but most of todays hunters expect way to much outa a 6-10 month old pup
I agree with hillbilly I have 2 9 month olds one is already running and treeing on her own. She's off of this new bred of hounds of today. Which she has some faults to her that I will live with because of what she is doing
Second 9 month old is off dogs of yester years so I should says. But she's so laid back and has the mouth I like on a hound I'm going to give her time.
I've learned thru the years when you get down on one and get Reid of it is when your making the mistakes

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I agree with hillbilly56 way to many people expect to much out of a pup and I don't believe everything I read on here either lol give them time and if they have the tools you will see them time in the woods an many many hours most just don't put in a full hearted effort an give up way to early

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Re: Re: jmo

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I agree with hillbilly I have 2 9 month olds one is already running and treeing on her own. She's off of this new bred of hounds of today. Which she has some faults to her that I will live with because of what she is doing
Second 9 month old is off dogs of yester years so I should says. But she's so laid back and has the mouth I like on a hound I'm going to give her time.
I've learned thru the years when you get down on one and get Reid of it is when your making the mistakes

my buddy has a bluetck female a freind of his give her to him as a pup told him that the pups outa the male was late starters buddy start her at 6 mons old she would run track but wouldn't tree a lick wait for the coon ta fall he kept hunting her took 2 sasons the last of th 2nd season she start treeing now she finds her own coon and will hammer a tree

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Re: Re: jmo

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Originally posted by rough country
I agree with hillbilly I have 2 9 month olds one is already running and treeing on her own. She's off of this new bred of hounds of today. Which she has some faults to her that I will live with because of what she is doing
Second 9 month old is off dogs of yester years so I should says. But she's so laid back and has the mouth I like on a hound I'm going to give her time.
I've learned thru the years when you get down on one and get Reid of it is when your making the mistakes

i liked the old blood they were late starters but if they were way more accurate than todays dog's in my book

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The best dog Ive ever own was 14 months old and unstarted when I bought her.Im hunting one of daughters now that's 17 months.She is wearing on my patients.Best breed,best looking,and loudest dog a man can find.Problem is she won't tree on nothing but a hang up.She will hunt her guts out but just ant doing it yet.Guess I'll keep hunting her.

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shoot my old blooded dog was a COONHOUND at 9 months old lol but I have a pair of pups now that turned a year old last month and I have just started working them . I could tell they were slow to mature so I have just been taking my time . but they are really showing the will to learn now . they are a mix of finley river dogs and rat attack . I would love to have had them doing it solo by now but see no need to rush them , heck we ain't gonna run out of coon .

I learned a long time ago when dad [ whom was of the they got to be doing it young clan ] had me give away some young beagles , only to be smoked by those same beagles on a swamp rabbit hunt about six months later lol

I never did get over that one !! and learned a little patience is a good thing .

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year and a half

I didnt know the dog then but my pups daddy didnt start till he was about a year and a half old best dog to ever going on the timber that ive seen his only son has just started to go and he will be a year old at the end of the month and his litter mate sister I kept to she started when she was 6 months there all different just cause your buddies dog started at 5 or 6 months dont mean yours has to

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year and a half

I didnt know the dog then but my pups daddy didnt start till he was about a year and a half old best dog to ever going on the timber that ive seen his only son has just started to go and he will be a year old at the end of the month and his litter mate sister I kept to she started when she was 6 months there all different just cause your buddies dog started at 5 or 6 months dont mean yours has to

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The best dog Ive ever own was 14 months old and unstarted when I bought her.Im hunting one of daughters now that's 17 months.She is wearing on my patients.Best breed,best looking,and loudest dog a man can find.Problem is she won't tree on nothing but a hang up.She will hunt her guts out but just ant doing it yet.Guess I'll keep hunting her.
ty her back on every tree don't let her have a taste of a con she don't tree on i had a young red dog 4 yrs ago he run track wouldn't tree but we had my budys dog with us she would tree i let him have the 1st 1 next tree i ty him back didn't give him a taste he went bonkers wantin it lead him away from tree he struck next track and split tree my budy didn't want to go to him because his gyp wasn't with him she start treeing on up the holer he said theres the coon i said im gone to my dog by time we got to him his gyp pulled came in to his tree he had a coon he was good from there on out till a guy bought him

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Hillbilly I tie her back at every tree.When the coon hits the ground she goes crazy treeing every breath.I hung up 2 last week and she treed hard on them.Then I let her have them.Im trying to teach her no work no reward.

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Hillbilly I tie her back at every tree.When the coon hits the ground she goes crazy treeing every breath.I hung up 2 last week and she treed hard on them.Then I let her have them.Im trying to teach her no work no reward.
STOP hanging coons she can see.

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Matt I have found that too many hang ups can set a pup backwards, NO MORE HANGUPS Once they know it climbs take their eyes out of the equation. I only do 1 hang up starting a pup anymore. And that is very early on in training. If you want to PM me I will give you some insight on what I would do.

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I agree that hangups are not good but I really had nothing to loose.She was born at my house so Im puting extra time into her.I own her brother and he has been treeing coon solo for 6 months.

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I've got a female right now that was 18 months old before she treed her first wild (not turned loose) coon. I hunted the dogs mother for about a year to finish her out to GrNtCh. The female pup I got wouldn't tree with other dogs at all. She would run and tree a turned loose coon and would go hunting a little but never cared what the other dogs were doing. She finished 3rd in the 2013 $kc state race (Mi) and finished 9th in the breed race for the same year. She is a dual Grand in UKC and is probably the best dog I've ever owned. She was independent to a fault (would wait for the other dogs to get struck then go in a different direction to get struck and treed) but is probably the most acurite dog I've ever hunted. In the 3 CW it took to make NtCh she made 15 trees and 13 were plused up. It took me 18 CW's to finish her to GrNtCh. Her biggest fault is she isn't a high scoring dog but is a consistent cast winner, she don't make a lot of trees but the ones she makes are usually plused up. She has more brains than most hounds, handles very well. I don't pleasure hunt this dog much if at all....if she's turned loose 100 times 98 of them are in a hunt in one KC or another.

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late starters

The trouble with late starters is some dogs never make a coondog. You have to wait so long to see what you have.
On the other hand I've seen late starters ( that have been hunted a bunch) flip the switch at 2-3 years old and just put it all together real fast. They go from nothing to a real good dog in one week. This type of dog was out there just roaming around checking things out for months or years and then all of a sudden "click", they got it all. Can run a track and tree coon like it is easy. not trying to give anyone false hope, but I've seen this happen, it makes you scratch your head and say wow.

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Hillbilly I tie her back at every tree.When the coon hits the ground she goes crazy treeing every breath.I hung up 2 last week and she treed hard on them.Then I let her have them.Im trying to teach her no work no reward.


Hangs up at 17 months?!?!?
She needs to tree by scent not by sight
The more you hang the more you are engraining the treeing by sight. Just hunt her in thick coon alone for 1hr a night 30nights straight. Then 30 more...

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LOL.I don't have 30 nights to waste.

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Hillbilly I tie her back at every tree.When the coon hits the ground she goes crazy treeing every breath.I hung up 2 last week and she treed hard on them.Then I let her have them.Im trying to teach her no work no reward.


might try a coon pen... i dunno... seemed to help with foundation for my pup. he didnt know how to tree hardly before i sent him to ben moss. got him back at 6 months old(thought he was 9 months) and turned him out by himself. treed 2 coons by himself and stayed til we got there. i was amazed at what he had learned. he has treed 35-40 coons since by himself and he is not 9 months yet. the trouble with early starters is the chances of blowing them up... hope he makes it

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I've heard hundreds of tales about these pups treeing alone at 5 and 6 months old. I'd like to hear about the ones that started later and made pretty good dogs. Whether it's one someone else gave up on or one that you thought you were keeping too long. This might encourage some young hunter whose 8 month old isn't doing it alone.


I guess we all have a different idea of just what "started" really means...to some guys the way they describe what the dog "better" be doing it sounds more like a finished dog. To me it means the dog will run a track of some kind of animal and bark while he's doing it. Some guys consider getting out by themselves in the dark and trying to hunt, but not running or treeing anything as started and I understand that because getting a dog to hunt out can be as much of a job or more as getting them to run a track.
I feel like it is as important when a young dog runs and trees his first coon by himself as it is to start running a track or show gaminess or willingness to go out and hunt.
I have a Walker pup that is out of a line of dogs not exactly known for early starting, but he ran his first deer at 7 months old. He didn't run and tree his first live wild coon until he was just shy of 14 months old.
I have a bluetick pup that is 11 months old and just did show a little interest and throw a bark or two at a caged coon. He has not barked on any animals trail yet, but did try to run a herd of deer a few days ago. He showed some interest by perking up and smelling around but I stopped him. It remains to be seen when he runs and trees a coon.
I think the most important thing is to let a puppy be a puppy for as long as he wants to act that way...he will serious up when he's ready, best not to push it.

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