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Doesn't look to be a fair poll to me ,, kinda like stacking the deck in your favor .

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I think breeding to a proven reproducer backed by UKC, gives the breeder and the new owners of the pups a better chance of having something they can be proud of !

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If you check with the proven reproducer's backed by UKC, you'll find they come from coonhound to coonhound and from family of reproducers.

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Both of Sackett Jr. grandmothers was open registered females ,without an open female (Queen Lou) there goes Lipper down the tubes , Hillbilly Mac's Mother was open registered not to mention Mr. Quick's ped was all ?????? Titles today are fairly shakey when you get to reading the win lists in the back of the Bloodlines . So thinking that the only dogs worth breeding to HAS to be all grand doesn't mean squat .

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Having culled many all grand pups who's parents were on the reproducing list I put very little faith in it . Find a natural out of a litter of naturals who's parents were the same and you'll get dogs who reproduce natural coondogs

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This is a poll, not to be picked apart by a fan club or a team of.

"Stacked"
I am very clear in what I state in the bottom of every post. So read it and see if it has anything to do with WARRIOR or breed or titles. Read it and think about it.

Example: ( no one has the answers to breeding, only to help with the outcome )
Just like our children, we all see things in them like us. Or you could be lucky like me and have a son who is 1 of 7 in the world with his condition, never to talk and many others things that limits him. So with that being said the outcome is what you make it, no matter what you cross togather.

I will say "I do have the greatest son in the world with not a bad breed pet".

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Breed coontreer to coontreer!! Everybody knows the reproducer list isn't very accurate on coondogs. Just tree dogs!

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coon dog X coon dog is the only way to breed. All Grand is good and reproducers list help. BUT nothing takes the place of coon dog X coon dog breeding.

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Can't vote, don't see an option that I like.

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find ya a good Clover female ...crossed good on Rat jmo

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I think hunters need to ask themselves, why am I breeding my female? When you have an association that promotes TREE TREE, giving money and prizes for minus points. You are going to get exactly what we are getting today. Read John Wicks article in the April cooner. Sums it up well.

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Having culled many all grand pups who's parents were on the reproducing list I put very little faith in it . Find a natural out of a litter of naturals who's parents were the same and you'll get dogs who reproduce natural coondogs

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When you have an association that promotes TREE TREE, giving money and prizes for minus points. You are going to get exactly what we are getting today.

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I have declined to vote because this statement is on the money. Reproducers or not, if you have naturally starting coon dogs close, you stand a very strong chance of reproducing coon dogs.

I have owned and started pups out of many different studs and females. Many have been all grand or have had top reproducers close (multiple top reproducers within two generations including parents). I have culled a few that were bred out of this world! I can tell you firsthand that while having top reproducers close or having an all grand pedigree is nice and helps sell pups, it doesn't translate to a definite result. While I will decline to mention bloodlines, I just culled on that would have been 7 gen all grand if she was finished.

I have found that more times than not, if you want a coon dog take a long look at the female producing the pups.

Take a look at some of the top reproducing hounds out there today. While their sire may be on the top reproducers list, most of the time it's because top reproducing females were brought to him.

It isn't because of their daddies, it's the females behind them...

Please understand my post isn't directed at anyone in particular.

Let the stones fly!

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PKC CH GRNITECH GRCH' PR ' WHITE'S LITTLE QUEENIE
( GRNITECH ' PR ' TURPIN'S INSANE CAIN x
CH GRNITECH 'PR' FROST BITE ) OUT OF TRACKMAN.
5 GENERATION ALL GRAND !
5th PLACE FINALIST 2017 WORLD HUNT

PKC CH GRCH NITECH "PR" LONE PINE TAR HTX
( Grnitech Lone Pine Legend and Grniech Stylish Daisy ) Triple Coma and Lone pine as close as your going to get it.
Tar is being hunted and being showed in UKC. Being hunted in pkc also.

"PR" Madcap's Insane Sue
( Grch Grnitech "PR" Insane Madcap and
Insane Gypsy ) " a natural"

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I should have edited my post to mention it was written from the perspective that most folks look more heavily on the stud to produce.

There are many very well bred studs that reproduce out there and each brings something a little different to the table.

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Something to think about:

Most Stud Dogs are called Stud dogs after they win something big, and may not have any pups on the ground. What should be looked at in that case is the sire and female the winner is out of.
If it was just about winning than we all should just breed to Mr. Clean.

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For one, how hard is it to finish a dog to Gr Nt? Not that hard from what I can tell, so an all Grand Pedigree means zero to me, and would have no bearing on what dog I would choose to breed to

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both of the best "stud dogs" I have ever worked pups out of had less than the 100 pups required to be on the reproducers list.

GRNTCHGRCH Pine Knob Durango and GRNTCHGRCH Thompsons Frankenstein .

that being said, Durango was the sire of the FIRST all grand English litter, and Franks pups could throw an "all grand" pedigree if finished themselves (I finished 1, made another a ntch, and my daughter put a 1st on a 3rd, all out of the same cross)

btw both of those dogs had INSANE %s of ntchs and grtntchs out of the pups they did produce.

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When I bred my female to a stud dog and raised a litter of pups those were the same pups I sold to other people and from the very same litter we kept two pups to try and train ourselves for our own personal coondogs. I found out later that's not how everyone does it.

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