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I would like your opinion on this. If UKC scored + on coon seen,circle on dens and - on the other trees. Remember it"s just your opinion.

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Not sure what your asking here but I will try and answer what I think your asking.

I personally would be fine with no circle trees......just plus or minus. Circle don't help you place a dog except as a tie breaker. Do away with circle trees all together. You either see the coon or you don't bottom line.

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Not sure what your asking here but I will try and answer what I think your asking.

I personally would be fine with no circle trees......just plus or minus. Circle don't help you place a dog except as a tie breaker. Do away with circle trees all together. You either see the coon or you don't bottom line.

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Lol i didnt even read a question in the original post

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Great Idea. After a few months of this our sport would be totally destroyed.

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Are you saying minus a huge leafy tree with no coon seen ? If you are you could be minused out quick where I hunt . There are coons but a lot of pressure from hunters and the ones that look have been thinned way down .

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff Prince
Are you saying minus a huge leafy tree with no coon seen ? If you are you could be minused out quick where I hunt . There are coons but a lot of pressure from hunters and the ones that look have been thinned way down . [/]

Are you saying the only way you find a coon is because it looks at you? More often than not I show people a whole coon not just eye(s). I would prefer all trees be plus or minus.....way to many tree monsters out there in today's comp hunts that get circled instead of minused when they are slick.

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People on this site forget comp hunters are the minority. There are more pleasure hunters than comp.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff Prince
Are you saying minus a huge leafy tree with no coon seen ? If you are you could be minused out quick where I hunt . There are coons but a lot of pressure from hunters and the ones that look have been thinned way down . [/]

Are you saying the only way you find a coon is because it looks at you? More often than not I show people a whole coon not just eye(s). I would prefer all trees be plus or minus.....way to many tree monsters out there in today's comp hunts that get circled instead of minused when they are s.

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I've said it many of times plus beats circle every time, if my dogs treeing coon and yours is treeing huge leafy trees I could care less if you circle or minus them...

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I agree coon or no coon end of story. Made me think of that coon hunting tv show that was on awhile. They made such big deal about walker competition dogs but even when tree size my arm didn't show coon. But when off colored dogs were featured they showed coons in trees. Coincidentally.?

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I've said it many of times plus beats circle every time, if my dogs treeing coon and yours is treeing huge leafy trees I could care less if you circle or minus them...

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Dustin ir right on here.

This scorecard was from this past Friday night. Are you saying my female because she treed on 4 legit den trees she should have minused out? You guys need to sit back and think for a minute.

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Hoosier Man, read the post again. Just opinions please

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I'm not going to touch this debate, but I am curious about your statement. I've tried for years to get statistics on the number of coon hunters, in general, without a break-down of comp versus pleasure only. I've triangulated-in on a range to the population, but what I've found is that there are more competition hunters in many areas of the country, although there's a sizable (and important) population of pleasure only, guys and gals.

What leads you to believe that competition hunters are the minority? And why would the scoring of trees make any difference in whether they chose to compete? There's a lot more to the hunt than just the tree scoring aspect, and I'm sure many more frustrations than just that aspect.

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What leads you to believe that competition hunters are the minority? And why would the scoring of trees make any difference in whether they chose to compete? There's a lot more to the hunt than just the tree scoring aspect, and I'm sure many more frustrations than just that aspect. [/B][/QUOTE]


I might be mistaken about other areas of the country. I think we all make that mistake of assuming all other areas are the same as our own. In saying that the majority of people in my area pleasure hunt. We haven't had an active club in over twenty years. Yes I agree that there are more frustrations than just the scoring of trees. I believe that every problem has multiple layers. Our problem here is attendance to hunts. It's discussed on here a lot. Most pleasure hunters agree that rules to comp hunting are overly complicated. Circle points would be one of the layers that could be relieved. You may or may not gain a small % in attendance if that rule was changed. I guess my point is the simpler the rules the more interest the sport would get by pleasure hunters.

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I have never quite understood the mentality or logic behind minusing a dog if the coon happens to run in a den or big leafy tree or otherwise someplace where he could be but you can't see him????? If any given dog strikes a coon and that coon happens to decide to go to the very top of the biggest leafiest poplar tree around how is that the dogs fault to get minused for????? Some of these guys want to minus every dog that trees when no coon is seen regardless of whether or not there is plainly a big hollow den. We have circle points for a reason, that reason is because there could be a coon there...we just can't see it or prove it so the dog gets nothing...
How about we go the opposite way and give the dog say 1/2 or 1/4 plus points when clearly a coon could be there???? Why not award a job that appears to be well done instead of penalizing one or giving it nothing{circle}???????
Now, don't get me wrong...I hate slick treeing dogs, {or is it squirrel treeing?? Whatever we call it these days.} and if a dog is treeing every ten minutes on a big tree he is still not getting the plus points it takes to win so who cares??? As long as you are not the guy that feeds that dog.

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Pretty much if everybody is treed together they will circle anything but if your leading the cast and you get treed by your self you better find a coon or have a hole big as a trash can or your going to get minused.

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Hoosier Man, read the post again. Just opinions please

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Honestly I think it work. Dont think so? Check the accuracy thread. They see 9 outta 10 all yr. I would minus dens to myself. Its either coon seen or minus!! And i dont even claim to a 90 percenter.

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It looked to me like he was voicing an opinion.
Now my opinion is minussing large leafy trees would be way less fair than continuing to circle them because it's just going to tip the scales in favor of the subpar dog that struggles to make a tree or two while penalizing the dog that's out there working it's butt off to get treed. Iv'e seen to many trees that would be anybodies guess if there was a coon up there or walked 1/2 way across a field and turned back just to see eyes shining when there was no way you were going to get it to look while you were in there scoring it.

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look at the stud adds how many non comp studs do you see advertised hat why you have 70 percent accuracy breeder breed for comp dogs not balanced dogs uick loud and stat put right or wrongjust an opinion

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legitimate circle trees. legitimate dens,size of tree,leaf cover,it is all up for discretion by the viewer. circle don't count for anything but a tie breaker.correct!
the problem is anything can and does get circled way to often.

no how does circle points not count? is that fair to the other casts?
don,t answer opinions only remember!
yes plus or minus pts only could work but i think u shouldn't be able to minus out if that rule was changed.

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do you always want to change things here is MOP if you just MIN. and Plus points a lot of people would be out in no time and the hunt numbers would be lower then they are now. or you will want UKC to change that you can win on MIN. points , like the other kennel club, that is when all the tree monsters came in to play.


Dave look at the hunt numbers and see if the competition hunters are not the minority, I know there are still people that go to hunts every week end but it sure is not like it use to be a club not to far from me drew 15 dogs there last hunt , they use to draw 80 to 100 at every hunt they had, and they thought 15 was doing good, all you have now is pleasure hunters that go to competition hunt when they are local in most cases. JMO

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I cant wait to pay an entry fee on a cold night and see two coons and then minus out because my dog had first and first on two den trees!!! what dog out there knows not to tree on a den tree with a hot track from a coon coming down for a quick drink and going right back up.

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I cant wait to pay an entry fee on a cold night and see two coons and then minus out because my dog had first and first on two den trees!!! what dog out there knows not to tree on a den tree with a hot track from a coon coming down for a quick drink and going right back up.

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