Registered: Apr 2007
Location: gnadenhutten oh
Posts: 1436

Show on parents pup degrees?You got Ch,Grch,Nitech,Grnitech,Wch,Grwch,Fch,Grfch and so on why not Htx?

__________________
Ntch PR Shivers Rushcreek Shelly-Ntch Perry's Rushcreek OppyXMichells Val(passed)
Grnitech CH Wch PR Shivers Magic Buckeye-Grch Gnitech PR Dillions Smoken Blue MagicXNtch Shivers Rush Creek Shelly(passed)
ChPR Shivers Blue Belle-HoochX Shelly
Nitech Ch PR Shivers Magic Lead-MagicXHooker
Breeder and handler and half owner of Nitech Grch Grwch Grfch PR Rock Acres Brutus HTX sire MagicXShelly
Cali- Ch Wch Grnite Shivers Magic Buckeye x Dual Grand Tuff

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Oct 2008
Location: King George, VA
Posts: 204

HTX does show up on dogs titles. It comes as a suffix at the end of the dog's title unlike CH, GRCH, NiteCH and GRNiteCH which are a prefix to the title at the beginning of name. HTX degree has only been recognized in the UKC registries for four or five years.

Patti-Lou

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2007
Location: gnadenhutten oh
Posts: 1436

On dogs pups degrees earned

__________________
Ntch PR Shivers Rushcreek Shelly-Ntch Perry's Rushcreek OppyXMichells Val(passed)
Grnitech CH Wch PR Shivers Magic Buckeye-Grch Gnitech PR Dillions Smoken Blue MagicXNtch Shivers Rush Creek Shelly(passed)
ChPR Shivers Blue Belle-HoochX Shelly
Nitech Ch PR Shivers Magic Lead-MagicXHooker
Breeder and handler and half owner of Nitech Grch Grwch Grfch PR Rock Acres Brutus HTX sire MagicXShelly
Cali- Ch Wch Grnite Shivers Magic Buckeye x Dual Grand Tuff

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Oct 2008
Location: King George, VA
Posts: 204

I own two dogs whose Grand Sire has an HTX degree. It shows on their pedigree.

Grandsire
CH GRNITECH PR" RAPIDAN RIVER RAGIN RAMBO HTX

Is that what you mean?

Patti-Lou

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2009
Location: Southwest Virginia
Posts: 415

Damon, It should show on the pedigree. If not you should contact ukc. Now, I will tell you something that I have been after ukc before about, is why isn't the HTX winners published in the back of the bloodlines??? I have stressed this to ukc. The kids around my area, talked about why there hound was not published in the bloodlines for passing an HTX event. If they would do that it would brighten a lot of kids around my area and they might get more folks to try them and learn more about them. I for one really like the HTX hunts. Ukc shows all other winners in the bloodlines (Nite hunt, bench show, etc.) so why not the HTX winners???

__________________
Little Reed Black and Tans, Powered by:

*Nt. Ch. Black Magic Roscoe's Hot Persuit (aka Jr.) one win toward Gr. Nt. Ch. ($120 dollars won in PKC).
(Nt. Ch. Winner of Princeton, W.Va. Blk. and Tan Sectional 2012). HTX winner. 5th place winner 2014 Black and Tan Days Thursday night. SIRE OF THE 2015 U.K.C. WORLD COONHOUND RESERVE WORLD CHAMPION!

*Kemps Little Reed Blk. Chester (1st and 2nd place wins in UKC) (two wins in A.C.H.A.) (pup off of Jr.) FULL LITTERMATE TO THE 2015 UKC RESERVE WORLD CHAMPION !!
Mr. ACCURATE!

*Nt. Ch. Kemps Little Reed Blk. Prowler (1st place UKC World Qualifier '09, 6th Place Hi Scoring Blk. and Tan at Southeastern Treeing Walker Days, '07).





The Kemps (Greg, Vickie, Erica, and Noah)
6 Little Vine Rd.
Hillsville, Va. 24343
276-733-8590

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2011
Location: central MO
Posts: 1120

I believe the man is asking about where it shows what a dog has produced in the way of titled dogs. In other words it will show "Mr. Stud " as producing x no. of Nt ch , ch ,wch, etc. but does it show the no. of HTX's he has produced ? If not then why not ? This is a good question does anybody know the answer ?

__________________
Dennis Bockelman
California,MO

A houndsmans drive is not the thrill of the kill it's the sound of the hound !!!

Last edited by stonehill on 07-06-2014 at 03:50 PM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2007
Location: gnadenhutten oh
Posts: 1436

It is a degree earned by a pup of a dam or stud why not?

__________________
Ntch PR Shivers Rushcreek Shelly-Ntch Perry's Rushcreek OppyXMichells Val(passed)
Grnitech CH Wch PR Shivers Magic Buckeye-Grch Gnitech PR Dillions Smoken Blue MagicXNtch Shivers Rush Creek Shelly(passed)
ChPR Shivers Blue Belle-HoochX Shelly
Nitech Ch PR Shivers Magic Lead-MagicXHooker
Breeder and handler and half owner of Nitech Grch Grwch Grfch PR Rock Acres Brutus HTX sire MagicXShelly
Cali- Ch Wch Grnite Shivers Magic Buckeye x Dual Grand Tuff

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Feb 2012
Location: airville,pa
Posts: 2078

that is a excellent ?

it should be posted on pedigrees.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Kalamazoo, Mich.
Posts: 6113

On a P.A.D (pups and degrees) pedigree only championship titles are included which are those earned in competition. But I agree with you, I would like to see HTX included in those stats and I would also like to see HTX certified dogs eligible for the duals class at the Autumn Oaks and Winter Classic bench shows.

__________________
If we're not suppose to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2010
Location:
Posts: 835

That is a good idea.

Jeff

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2007
Location: gnadenhutten oh
Posts: 1436

I was just wondering because it a degree a dog has earned if its not what's the point!would like to see it in the p.a.d of dogs!

__________________
Ntch PR Shivers Rushcreek Shelly-Ntch Perry's Rushcreek OppyXMichells Val(passed)
Grnitech CH Wch PR Shivers Magic Buckeye-Grch Gnitech PR Dillions Smoken Blue MagicXNtch Shivers Rush Creek Shelly(passed)
ChPR Shivers Blue Belle-HoochX Shelly
Nitech Ch PR Shivers Magic Lead-MagicXHooker
Breeder and handler and half owner of Nitech Grch Grwch Grfch PR Rock Acres Brutus HTX sire MagicXShelly
Cali- Ch Wch Grnite Shivers Magic Buckeye x Dual Grand Tuff

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Indiana
Posts: 332

I feel like the HTX means very little to UKC. The proof is that you can make a dog HTX several times over and still change the name of the dog. You can breed a hound to another hound that neither of them tree and you can't change the name of the parents after the pups are registered. You can take a hound that won't tree and make it a show champion and the dog now can't have it's name changed. In my opinion when a dog is made a HTX "champion" he should carry the same name from then on just like a nt ch does.

__________________
Indiana Hardwood Kennels

http://stuartcurs.tripod.com/

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2009
Location: Southwest Virginia
Posts: 415

John, X2

__________________
Little Reed Black and Tans, Powered by:

*Nt. Ch. Black Magic Roscoe's Hot Persuit (aka Jr.) one win toward Gr. Nt. Ch. ($120 dollars won in PKC).
(Nt. Ch. Winner of Princeton, W.Va. Blk. and Tan Sectional 2012). HTX winner. 5th place winner 2014 Black and Tan Days Thursday night. SIRE OF THE 2015 U.K.C. WORLD COONHOUND RESERVE WORLD CHAMPION!

*Kemps Little Reed Blk. Chester (1st and 2nd place wins in UKC) (two wins in A.C.H.A.) (pup off of Jr.) FULL LITTERMATE TO THE 2015 UKC RESERVE WORLD CHAMPION !!
Mr. ACCURATE!

*Nt. Ch. Kemps Little Reed Blk. Prowler (1st place UKC World Qualifier '09, 6th Place Hi Scoring Blk. and Tan at Southeastern Treeing Walker Days, '07).





The Kemps (Greg, Vickie, Erica, and Noah)
6 Little Vine Rd.
Hillsville, Va. 24343
276-733-8590

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Feb 2007
Location: Pomeroy, Ohio
Posts: 2843

I had not noticed that they had quit listing them. I have a set of papers issued August 8th, 2008 that lists HTX degrees. Then I have a set of papers issued on Feb 19th, 2013 that the HTX degree is not listed on the offspring report for the same dog. I'd have to go back thru several papers to see when they quit listing HTX on the offspring reports. But they did list them at one time.

__________________
John Smith
Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Kalamazoo, Mich.
Posts: 6113

quote:

---

Originally posted by John Stuart
I feel like the HTX means very little to UKC.

---

__________________
If we're not suppose to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Oct 2007
Location: Medford, WI
Posts: 3312

quote:

---

Originally posted by Todd K / UKC
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. There are reasons why the HTX certificate is not considered a championship. We can discuss that and hopefully get it changed. I am all for it as described above. But please don't insist that the program means "very little to UKC". Especially to the person who developed it. Cause that could not be further from the truth.

---

__________________
Jealousy is the most honest compliment anyone can receive ~ L. Key
He who stirs the pot, deserves to lick the spoon.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2010
Location:
Posts: 835

We have several people in different areas that like HTX and I feel that UKC has done well with them. Being a person with disabilities that can't really compete because of fast walking, length you have to walk ect. I can HTX as well as field trail and swim with my dog. Therefore I am thankful to Todd and UKC. HTX I feel was designed to show that your dog can tree a coon, training for young people without pressure of being in hunt and to show them the rules. And for people like me.

Thanks Jeff

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Feb 2007
Location: Pomeroy, Ohio
Posts: 2843

Any idea why HTX was listed on the PAD at one point and now it isn't?

__________________
John Smith
Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2007
Location: WESTERN MARYLAND
Posts: 5946

I AGREE I ENJOY HTX AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CLUBS HAVE THEM.

__________________
Home of;

Nt.Ch. Gr.Ch. Gr.WCh. Pr. McMillans Blue Crystal
Ntch. GrCh. Pr. McMillans Blue Magic
Gr.Nt.Ch. Pr. McMillans Blue Hawk
Nt. Ch. Pr. McMillans Blue Rage
all are gone now but will NEVER BE FORGOTTEN


CH. PR. MCMILLANS TREE ROCKIN BRANDY
CH. PR. MCMILLANS MIDNITES STINGIN SADIE

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2007
Location: gnadenhutten oh
Posts: 1436

A pup has earned that is what my papers say pup degrees if HTX isn't a degree then what is it?

__________________
Ntch PR Shivers Rushcreek Shelly-Ntch Perry's Rushcreek OppyXMichells Val(passed)
Grnitech CH Wch PR Shivers Magic Buckeye-Grch Gnitech PR Dillions Smoken Blue MagicXNtch Shivers Rush Creek Shelly(passed)
ChPR Shivers Blue Belle-HoochX Shelly
Nitech Ch PR Shivers Magic Lead-MagicXHooker
Breeder and handler and half owner of Nitech Grch Grwch Grfch PR Rock Acres Brutus HTX sire MagicXShelly
Cali- Ch Wch Grnite Shivers Magic Buckeye x Dual Grand Tuff

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Feb 2007
Location: Pomeroy, Ohio
Posts: 2843

Damon, UKC says it is a certification, not a degree. I believe it is because a degree is in competition and the HTX is not a competition.

__________________
John Smith
Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Kalamazoo, Mich.
Posts: 6113

The terminology is confusing even for me. It is my understanding that "title" and "degree" may be used interchangeably. But neither indicate a "championship". They may simply indicate a "working certificate". Typically a working certificate indicates a dog has some degree of natural ability to do the job it's breed was bred to do.

So take coonhound hunt tests....originally it was deemed to be a working certificate or basic test of instinct. But it's not really. It's a three pass requirement that requires some training to pass. In my mind it should be considered a championship at some point.

Our retriever program is a hunt test where dogs earn a pass or fail. They earn 4 passes at the basic level for a started degree. They earn 3 passes at the middle level for a mid level degree. And they earn 3 passes at the top level to earn their championship. That game is easy to make the test progressively harder.

I would like to think of a way to make the HTX events progressively harder and award different levels of degrees ending with a championship.

__________________
If we're not suppose to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Kalamazoo, Mich.
Posts: 6113

quote:

---

Originally posted by ov_blues
Any idea why HTX was listed on the PAD at one point and now it isn't?

---

__________________
If we're not suppose to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Feb 2007
Location: Pomeroy, Ohio
Posts: 2843

quote:

---

Originally posted by Todd K / UKC
I do not remember that HTX was ever included in the PAD info? I even asked a couple ladies in our registration department and they don't remember it either? Not doubting you that it was included but will you send me a pic of one of your papers that had it included? I want to see how it was set up.

---

__________________
John Smith
Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Greenville,Oh
Posts: 1447

quote:

---

Originally posted by Todd K / UKC
I do not remember that HTX was ever included in the PAD info? I even asked a couple ladies in our registration department and they don't remember it either? Not doubting you that it was included but will you send me a pic of one of your papers that had it included? I want to see how it was set up.

---

I've got a P.A.D. too that has an HTX titled dog that has its parents having produced such.

__________________
Kraut Creek Blueticks
Web Address http://krautcreek.tripod.com

Last edited by Robert Welch on 07-10-2014 at 05:19 AM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged