Registered: Mar 2005
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I'm starting this thread to get our hunting members input on a particular subject concerning our new rule for hunting all 3 nights to be eligible for overall champion.
Our rule now states that a dog must hunt all 3 nights to be eligible to be crown overall champion. If you do not hunt on any of the 3 nights you will inquire 400 minus for that night you do not hunt.

(( I personally like this rule for the simple fact that most of the people that want to win Southern or National days overall will be there to hunt all 3 nights. The same rule I support cost me the overall championship this year. After scoring 625+ on Thursday night I could have not hunted on Friday night & wouldn't have taken 400 minus for getting a dog hurt in bad conditions & having to withdraw. ))

There was a motion made & passed at the meeting Saturday.
7 for changing & 3 to leave it the same. This is a rule that was voted on and passed last year to take place at Southern days this year & without giving it a chance to work some are ready to change it again. This will be brought up at the meeting at National days.

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Voting

Andy,

Congrats on the win Thursday in tough conditions. It should not come as a surprise that what is voted on in this association is subject to a revote. Personally I believe a dog should hunt at least two of the nights some people may not be able to attend all three nights.

Good luck with your dogs this year

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be in support of a change unless there was a larger group to make a decision!!!

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SAME THING HAPPENED WHEN WE VOTED TO CHANGE THE DATE OF NATIONAL DAYS MOTION PASSED BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED. LETS JUST VOTE AGAIN IF A FEW DONT LIKE IT.

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I'm guessing that many didn't make Southern Days this year due to the weather and for that matter many don't make the big hunts for various reasons every year but a particularly bad year (low numbers) shouldn't bring about serious changes immediately .
The vote and then infamous "revote" isn't exclusive to us . It's the way most organizations like ours are set up to allow everyone to get they're say" and vote "in on whatever's being considered instead of having instant changes that effect everybody . New untried efforts maybe could be on a trial basis but older long standing rules & policies should be voted on at 2 or maybe 3 meetings before a change is put into effect . I think looking back that this is about what happened over the date change vote . It was voted on at NRD's ,discussed at least at SRC and voted down at the next NRD's . Like it or not that's a process that has always been there and I do remember saying "stick with it & be there if you want it ".
We can all vote but most aren't there to vote and are members who may never travel to any hunt or meeting so for me those present , attending and supporting the association are truly the ones who should be setting the policies that we run our hunts by .

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I apologize to the board for not being able to make it to Southern Days this year. The weather kept me and the dogs at home. I guess we'll all just vote on it at NATL Days.

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Andy I congrat you an train.. but with a 4 dog cast the score may have been 550 plus...or. I will vote for all three nites. Like Dale said my dog will be there some how if i would like to win it. I fill the camp should hunt all three nites. Andy TRAIN WILL DO HIS THING AND IM ON BOARD OLD BUDDY. GIVE THEM WHAT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE..GOOD LUCK ANDY , JOHN

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It must get confusing for an outsider to look at our Association and try to understand what is going on sometimes. Let's revote on this one at National Days. LOL.

I don't like this rule of requiring a dog to hunt all three nights.Here is why.

Whenever we make a new rule it realy should be to accomplish just a few basic things or we should not change.
1. The change should benefit the majority of the members.
2. The change should encourage more parcipitation of the event .
3. The change should never give an undue advantage to any one subgroup of the association.

The hunt 3 night rule doesn't meet any of these basic ideas . It's sole purpose was to keep someone from setting on a lead. Some people just couldn't stand it when a guy wins by not hunting when they had a good lead going into the last night. So we try and try to twist our rules around because people don't like to get beat... GET OVER IT. Your best chance to win is to hunt all three nights. If we require you must hunt all 3 to win we have just given an undue advantage to those who have a more flexable schedule. Those who want a chance to win but simply can not make it there all three nights should just not go . Save the gas and the money. It's easy for some to say if I want to win I will make sure I'm there ,guess what ,some people just don't have that option. So why in the world are the ones who can hunt all 3 nights affraid of the guy who only hunts 2. It's because they could take minus on one of those nights. I never paid an entry fee planning on taking minus. Let's not make rules based off of this backwards thinking. What will we do when on the 3rd night we have tornado warnings and no one in their right mind goes hunting. Will we give everyone -400 for the night and pick a champ that way...That would be STUPID !!!

Letting people hunt whatever night they want gives no undue advantage to the group that can make it all 3 nights.
Letting people hunt whatever nights they want encourages more people to come and hunt even if they can only come for 2 nights or even 1 because they still have a chance to win.
Letting people hunt as many nights as they wish benefits all members because all can take advantage of the option.

Revoting again ,I have no problem with it weather it goes my way or not . I can assure you that the reason for the 3 night rule is because someone won it by setting on a lead and someone lost it because they took minus . That is it in a nutshell. Making rules because someone is a cry baby is not good policy.

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How many nights?

Kelly;
I would have to respectfully disagree with you on this one! The original purpose was to test a dogs ability over an extended hunt! Many scenario's can play out over 3 days!
And yes! Some would lay out in an effort to protect a high score! That is why if you don't hunt every night you accept 400-! In 1984 withdrawing my dog cost me the overall, but I new that going in. I just didn't feel good about turning loose in cliffs and running the risk of my dog going over one!
Why can't I just hunt one night at the zones if I choose to rest on a big score? it's not always so cut & dry because some of you don't care for it! The way the association has had internal problems for years & years, which is why I dropped off of the board back in the early 2000's!
I don't hear anyone saying that you are whining when you give your opinion! Because his view is different than yours is that whining? Funny how some can say anything & it is overlooked, but others are almost attacked for their opinion. So much for an open forum!!!!

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We all want what is best for the association. I work a public job & if I am planning on going to any hunt I make arrangements to take off & be there. I don't like the idea that I could have won southern days this year if I did not hunt Friday & Saturday night after a decent score on Thursday. (( IT'S NOT FAIR )) Any 1 dog can have a good night & any cast can get the buckets or woods loaded with coons. But for a man & his dog to hunt all 3 night in any conditions & walk away with the win is the one that deserves to be overall champion. This is just my opinion & I have tried to see it from someone else's view & I can't. In any major sporting event if you miss 1 game you are out , miss 1 day in a golf tournament you are out. This rule is not saying if you don't hunt you can't win but you will be penalized for missing that night.

I also believe that we need to have a set bylaw that states any new rule or change has a time period before it can be changed again. If something is not working sure I would want to change it but at least give the change an opportunity to work.

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Qualified for 2014 world hunt
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Anyone who seriously wants to win an overall night hunt champion title will have there dog there all 3 nights if you were getting rid of the 3 night rule why have an all red hunt Thursday? Seems like you would be changing a rule that's worked just fine for years to make a few sore losers happy...talking about how it's not fair because WHAT IF a tornado comes one night!? Give me a break how many times has that happened really?...show up 3 nights, hunt, and win like everybody else in every other breed in every other hunt if your dogs to "valuable" to cut loose in the rain or in the mountains or hunt on a cut foot then that's your call but someone who's not scared to hunt their dog all 3 nights in all conditions and terrain and wins the cast should win I appreciate how Andy said it and brought this to discussion I was wrong and thought he said ARCA but I agree I wonder if the proper procedure was followed considering the fact there was so few people there lol

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Don't read too much into my posts guys. I'm not all that serious about winning any of the big titles. My main point is this . Someone that only hunts 1 or 2 nights has a giant disadvantage to those that hunt all 3 nights. I would not worry all that much about letting them compete. I believe your chances are pretty slim to take home any hardware if you only hunt 1 night. The rules were that way for years I never seen much trouble with them. It's all politics to me.

takes 3 to win it most the time. All I'm saying is why are we so worried about the people that only hunt 2.

I just had to add the tornado thing , I think that was one of the reasons brought up when the date change got voted back.
lol. I thought the same thing then. When does that ever happen. funny

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Personally I don't care wether people are required to hunt all 3 nights to win the overall or not. 2 cast wins beat 1 and 3 cast wins beat 2. So if someone doesn't want to hunt all 3 nights then that's their problem when someone else does and beats them with more cast wins. It wouldn't matter if someone had over 2000+ with 2 cast wins. If they choose not to hunt the final night then they take a chance of getting beat by someone with 200+ total pts and 3 cast wins. Its only smart to hunt all 3 nights if you want the overall win. I don't think we need a rule requiring anything either way. That's just my opinion though.

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Well said Adam. Why worry whether you hunt all three nights or not the dog with the most cast wins takes home the bacon.

What happens if I can only hunt two nights I get two cast wins and am tied with the same score with someone who hunted all three nights but only had two cast wins.

I get 400- minus for not hunting one night and my fellow competitor happend to minus out one night. Does that prove which dog is a coondog.

Dont try to fix things that have worked fine for years

Mr. Cooter we are taling about NRCA not the other association

I wonder if the proper procedure was followed to even allow the vote at Souther Days and what about a quorum? notification to board member in writing etc.. before it can be on agenda? LOL

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If you think it usually takes 3 to win and anyone who doesn't hunt all 3 nights will probably cut there chances of winning and all this...then why change the rule? Someone who can hunt all 3 nights your right shouldn't be worried about someone who can only hunt one or 2 nights but if it takes 3 to win then why the rule change?....I just say if it ain't broke don't fix it if were making up rules just to make em we might end up like congress!!....and i would hate to see who we would have to play the part of Obama lmao!!

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It's the way it is because somewhere in the past someone must have gotten out maneuvered but if it was legal or maybe not even intentional then so be it . Whatever , but it must have caused a rule change . I would think as was stated before that the cast win system should do the job and the serious ones will be in the woods .
The one thing that hits me is forcing anyone to do anything is usually the down side of any situation .

I'd like to see winner's winning because it's what they want to do .

The biggest down side for me when attending any breed day was to argue over policies or be constantly running to meetings about something . Things have to be organized and run and somebody has to do that but for the most part we all want to attend and visit with friends , talk dogs and see who can win . The last thing we want is to go home tired , disgusted and feeling like you never want to do it again .

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Back in 2011 I drove down and hunted Breanna at southern days. I hunted her All 3 nights and she won her thursday night with 225+ then she won her cast friday night with 225+ so I had 2 cast wins and 450+ going in to saturday. She was the only dog with 2 cast wins going into the last night if I remember right but there were several with one cast win but low scores. On Saturday night we_didn't get into coon and only treed a hole and a couple of dens and then right at the end of the hunt we got on a good hot track and the dogs made a good tree several hundred yards up this creek. As we were walking into the tree, all heck broke out in there as what sounded like a large pack of coyotes ran the two females left in the cast off the tree and chased them almost all the way back to us. I have never seen or heard anything like it before or since. Long story short....we both got minus strike and tree and I found out when I got back to the club that the minus I received on Saturday night was subtracted from my scores from the two previous nights leaving me with a score of 225+ or something like that. Well another dog who had a cast win of 75+ one night and 175+ or 200+ the other night beat Breanna's score by 25 or 50 points. Now Breanna scored more + points overall....but when her minus from hunting the 3rd night was subtracted....the other dog won High scoring dog overall and Breanna got High scoring opp sex. If I had chose not to hunt that third and final night....Breanna would have been the overall champion just like her sister Britt the year before. Do I think people should have the option to opt out of hunting one or more nights to avoid taking minus that could hurt them later or possibly drawing a dog that they think might beat them in a heads up hunt in the same cast....NO.
I think that is not a respectable way to win a championship. If you are there at the hunt and have entered and hunted a previous night and you will be staying till the end on Saturday night....then you should hunt and not play the odds game if you have a cast win or two earlier in the weekend. I understand that not everyone can make it every night and that dogs get hurt sometimes and can't continue....and that is bad luck....but a handler who would choose tonot enter his or her dog after already winning a cast or two for fear that the dog may get beat or take minus in a later cast....well that doesn't sit well with me and doesn't impress me very much.
I would just like to add that the way the rules are kind of hurt Breanna that year and cost her the overall championship....but later that same year at national days....those same rules were the reason that she won high opp sex at national days...with only one cast win with a really good score of 875+
there were two other females with two cast wins going into saturday night and I had the misfortune of drawing out against Aftershock....long story short he showed Breanna what a few more years of experience will do for a dog...lol
but when I returned to the club....we found out that both of the other females with two cast wins had been scratched...one for the hour and the other for errors on the scorecard. Now neither female had over 300+ points and they were given 400- for the scratch so that took them both down below zero when their minus from Saturday was subtracted from the plus from their wins Thursday and Friday....meaning Kitty, by the rules had to go to the highest scoring one night cast winner....which was Bree with the 875+ cast win from Friday night.
So you can see, the same rules can work both ways. I like the rule that says if you don't hunt a night you get some sort of a penalty...because I think it keeps people from sitting back after having a really big score on the first or second night....but it also can be a disadvantage to a person who can't make all three nights. So I guess I don't care all that much what the rules are....just so long as they are clear and everyone knows exactly what they are before the hunt starts. Good luck to everyone this year and I hope it is a great year for the breed....shane

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WHEN EVERYONE WHO HUNTS REDBONES STOPS TRYING TO MAKE IT ABOUT THEMSELVES AND MOVE BACK TO TRYING TO ADVANCE THE BREED I BELIEVE PARTICIPATION WILL PICK UP . WHO WANTS TO GO SOMEWHERE AND HUNT WHEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RITE YOUR TREATED LIKE A NOBODY. WHEN THE NRCA/UKC GET BACK TO MAKING IT ABOUT EVERYBODY INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY NUMBERS WILL INCREASE . ADDING MORE RULES TO SUIT SOME ISN'T THE ANSWER .

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I guess to me it doesn't seem right you have to hunt all three nights, what if your hound gets an injury or snake bite, and can't hunt the last night. -400 minus because of that? Seems like this should go for a another vote.

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Injury is an associated risk. Every dog has the possibility of being injured anytime they are cut loose (God forbid). So in that sense it is perfectly acceptable for them to take their 400-. Just like in any other sport, you get hurt, you sit the game out. (JMO)

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The rule should be: Most number of plus point cast wins should always win. Then use scores to break a tie.
Just my opinion.

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Darrin, I thought it was that way at one time anyhow. The dog with most cast wins is the winner. If a tie on cast wins ,go with UKC tie breaking rules. But always pick the dog with the most cast wins. Win 3 nights and you will never be beat by a dog who only wins 2 or even 1 cast. The ones who can hunt all three nights usually will, the rest will try to win it by hunting as many nights as they can and hope no one gets three wins. That's the way it was for years , I know I had more fun back then, seemed ok to most who attended. Should be simple. ROTFLMAO.

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GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

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Kelly & Darrin you guys got it the way it should be IMO. Most cast wins with plus points and with the highest plus points scored should be the winner, sometimes we all get to tactical and make a rule that confuses us all. Just looked in a few Redbooks and this is the way its been way back in the 80ths , somewhere , sometime the "cumulative" word was added and this is where I think the confusion comes in. Look it up, its on page 23 of the 2012 Redbook, read the 1st part {general for all hunts}--#4 is where it gets me confused, then go on down and read the paragraph {National Redbone Days} we have gotten like the Government--too many rule , lets KISS[keep it simple stupid]

hope this gets cleaned up to make it right
Hersh

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Current dogs
GR CH NT CH RED MIGHTY 90-Bo/Sierra
NT.CH.GR CH BEYOND BILLY HTX --Billy the Kid/ Amber
GR CH 1ST & 2ND place wins 90/4 LIFE GUN-HTX==-Willy BOY/Bigtime Britt
Dogs I have owned
Nt ch Gr ch HERSHS HUNTIN RED IKE
NT CH CH HERSHS HUNTIN BUDDY
GR NT CH MILLERS DIRTY RED
NT CH CH LYNN'S CREEK JULIE
GR CH HERSHS HUNTIN RED KATE
CH NITE CH AMBRAW RIVER TIMBER ROCK
NT CH HERSHS HUNTIN RED CLEM
NT CH ROCKY TOP CHERRY

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This is a pretty interesting topic of dicussion. Bear with me here fellas because I am young, but, why do we as an association count Thursday night wins toward crowning our overall champion? From what I understand some other breed associations only count Friday and Saturdays wins, with double cast winners with the highest scores being your overall winners. Like I said I've only been involved with the NRCA for 8 years now and I don't know if there was a particular reason for including Thursday nights wins or not.

In my opinion, excluding Thursday night cast wins, we could get rid of the 400- all together. Plus, this may give hunters the option to hunt MULTIPLE dogs at a given redbone days. For example, someone's grand night wins at a Zone Hunt and they hunt him/her Thursday night, while hunting Friday and Saturday night with they're younger NTCH dog they would like to try and win the overall with.

Like I said I'm just green when it comes to all this discussing, so help edjumacate me a little bit please! I am perfectly fine with the way we have it now, and I'm sure I'd be alright with alterations to it too. Just trying to learn is all! Hahaha

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The 1st ones I went to was late 70ths early 80ths, always like the "All Red Hunt" best, back then I went out spectating with some pretty Famous hounds-[hint there] as well as others, I remember hunting my Gr.Ch. Kate dog and drew out with Roger Gibson & ducky, `Rod Decker with Blossom, he had just won opposite sex Ch. at American days a few week before and the other fellow I think was Leeman Moyers with My gal Sal , the other three I knew were top dogs, all female cast. I had a ball, ducky finally won the cast but all 4 dogs were split treein and doing a bang up job of huntin. one other year I drew out with Mike Marcum, saw him last year at Holmesville and talked about that All red hunt, best night to hunt IMO, now I know you are a young fellow, I'm in my mid 60ths now, you probably can hunt all night most every night, but just wait till you get my age, I'd like to hunt all 3 nights but the old body doesn't want to let me,HAHA, and I know there are others who have the same problem or maybe some other health problem that restricts them from hunting all 3 nights.so that's why I say to go to most plus point cast wins and to heck with this 4oo minus stuff, just go by UKC tie breaker system, yea you may get a tie, but I stand as much chance of winning the Lottery , don't think it will ever happen. as my Step dad used to say ' The spirit is Willin, But the Flesh is Weak'. Hey Corey, just reread your post, I have 2 two year old males I'd like to hunt and a 3year old Nt.ch. female, maybe if we do away with 3 nights we might just as well crown the overall on one night cast win' that way I might be able to hunt all 3 of mine, who knows may even win overall and opposite sex, just funning with ya now
See ya in Michigan. Hersh

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hershtwo@yahoo.com
Life member NRA
Current dogs
GR CH NT CH RED MIGHTY 90-Bo/Sierra
NT.CH.GR CH BEYOND BILLY HTX --Billy the Kid/ Amber
GR CH 1ST & 2ND place wins 90/4 LIFE GUN-HTX==-Willy BOY/Bigtime Britt
Dogs I have owned
Nt ch Gr ch HERSHS HUNTIN RED IKE
NT CH CH HERSHS HUNTIN BUDDY
GR NT CH MILLERS DIRTY RED
NT CH CH LYNN'S CREEK JULIE
GR CH HERSHS HUNTIN RED KATE
CH NITE CH AMBRAW RIVER TIMBER ROCK
NT CH HERSHS HUNTIN RED CLEM
NT CH ROCKY TOP CHERRY

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