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snowcreekkennel
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Hey Fellas Got A Question???

How do yu get a dog to trust yu or bond with yu so to speak? I know to some of yu guys that have been doing this for years this might sound like a dumb question but I myself have never been good with training dogs. I've bought several hounds that would run and tree there own coon and put a couple wins on a couple in the hunts but I'm no houndsmen by any means. The reason I'm asking is because the gyp I've got now is super smart but one minute she'll let me touch her and get my hands on her and the next minute she won't have nothing to do with me. I know it takes a lot of hour's and many night's in the woods to make a dog but I just want to get the ground work done on her and get her handling good before I hunt her a lot. For example: leading, loading, coming to me when called, stuff like that. I just need pointed in the right direction and a few pointers and tips because I really wanna do this dog right and not mess this one up. She's got the potential and I've got the determination to stick with her I just don't wanna make to many mistakes along the way if I can help it. Thanks guy's for any input and help I really appreciate all the people on here who have helped me out!!!

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Biggest thing is just spend time with it...if you can as a pup...develop a bond and make them know you are their best friend and their master..

I am a dog guy...and I can't stand how some hounds are treated...yes they are working dogs...but many aren't out of the kennel unless they are hunting..

Talk to them...pet them...play with them...work on commands...nice day? Take a walk in the fields and woods and look for deer sheds or just enjoy the fresh air...

Yep...in the weird guy with the coon dog riding shotgun in a new truck....why? He's my buddy...I need someone to talk to on the trip to the hunt!


Mine runs loose at least a couple hours a day on the farm...interacting with me...and anyone else around...as well as other dogs..Horses..cows etc...


I 10000% believe it all makes for a better dog..they handle well...They know when you are happy..mad etc..they WANT to please you...when you're happy they are happy...

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Thanks man

Thanks man. I get her out everyday and walk her in the woods behind my house and to the creek. I spend as much time with her as I can. Shes 7 months old so shes still a pup and like a sponge. Im like yu as far as having a dog ride with yu in the truck and stuff like that. A lot of guys say ahhh yu gunna ruin that dog and make it a pet but I think they connect and bond better that way. The training part is what gets me like ground work and stuff of that nature. but thanks for the advice man!!!!

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just spend time with her she will come around we also allow dogs in the cab if that makes them a pet that's what I want I can catch a pet and a pet will listen to me and I might be wrong but being a pet don't change a dogs sense of smell we have 6 bear dogs and I would consider all of them pets and I wouldn't have it any other way

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Mauser06 hit the nail on the head. But...I will add one thing: yes, you have to be a dog person and really like dogs but not all dogs like people and will bond the way they should.
I always spend a lot of time with my dogs and I am lucky to have right now the best natured nicest 8 month old puppy I have ever had or seen anywhere. We are buddies and that makes us a team.
We just might not be as good a friends if he starts really running junk. But he will have to get over it and the better you get along and like each other the more chances are the dog will.
One of the best competition dogs I ever had never did bond with me. Would rather be outside in the kennel than in the house and refused to show any kind of affection towards people at all. She didn't seem like she needed or wanted to be petted and other than to take her hunting didn't need or like to just hang out and spend time together. The end result...she did what she did and most of it was good but what she did bad I was totally unable to change in any way. She just wasn't a "people dog" Thankfully, most of them are. One exception is the skittish or shy dog. You can spend all the time you want and they are shy period. Time spent with one is time wasted. Life's too short to waste time with something you cannot change. Dogs that would rather hide in the dog box than come out and play are time wasters.

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Instead of just "walking her behind the house " , try leading her to the truck , loading her up , drive around the block , and THEN walk her behind the house.
That will teach her that leading and loading means that FUN time is coming.

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A lot of times if i'm out in the garage messing around I let my dogs in with me, they love it. when I go hunting I just turn them loose and they run for the front door and go in.

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Hey msinc how long would yu have a dog to see if it would ever come out of that bein skittish and shy? ik some dogs are shy at first then warm up but some are always shy? And behind my house is like 50 acres of woods creeks hollers and mountains it aint in the city or nothing lol. im just tryin to get the ground work started right with her as far as leading and handling goes a dog with a good handle is so much more enjoyable than one that don't. if I can get her minding me and listening to voice commamds I will hunt her every night but I wont it to be more enjoyable for me and her. it aint gottta be a hassle ALL the time. I know theres gunna be rough long nights to make her a dog and ive had a plenty in the past im just tryin to learn as much as I possibly can to train dogs and understand them better. I can deal with a lot but shy and skittish is hard to work with for me that's why im tryin to understand more about dog behavior and training techniques. thanks a lot for all the advice and input fellas its greatly appreciated ive been hunting for about 5 or 6 years and im still green when it comes to trainin so any advice is appreciated thanks again and have a good one fellas!!!

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Hey msinc how long would yu have a dog to see if it would ever come out of that bein skittish and shy? ik some dogs are shy at first then warm up but some are always shy? And behind my house is like 50 acres of woods creeks hollers and mountains it aint in the city or nothing lol. im just tryin to get the ground work started right with her as far as leading and handling goes a dog with a good handle is so much more enjoyable than one that don't. if I can get her minding me and listening to voice commamds I will hunt her every night but I wont it to be more enjoyable for me and her. it aint gottta be a hassle ALL the time. I know theres gunna be rough long nights to make her a dog and ive had a plenty in the past im just tryin to learn as much as I possibly can to train dogs and understand them better. I can deal with a lot but shy and skittish is hard to work with for me that's why im tryin to understand more about dog behavior and training techniques. thanks a lot for all the advice and input fellas its greatly appreciated ive been hunting for about 5 or 6 years and im still green when it comes to trainin so any advice is appreciated thanks again and have a good one fellas!!!


How long have you had her now? The reason I ask is, it really shouldn't take long for a dog to warm up to whoever is feeding it. Sometimes, dogs can be made shy by people who are too hard on them. If that was the case it could take some time for her to build some trust for you, and get over it. If it was a trait passed on to her through genetics, it will probably never go away.

We had a pup here once that was man shy, gun shy, truck shy, and shy of other dogs too. He had a nice mouth, and could run and tree a caged coon, so we tried to work with him for several months. He never did get any better, so he had to go. And his shyness didn't come from abuse, or neglect, he had a good home here, and the whole family fooled with him trying to get him over it. But it was just a fault in his genetics, and couldn't be fixed. Those type dogs are also prone to becoming ill toward other dogs, and even people.

I wish you luck, and I hope yours isn't so bad that she won't get over it.

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I Have been frowned upon for spending time with my dogs. "You cant play with a hound youll ruin em" or "He'll never hunt again you keep praising him like that". I think its BS. Your dogs have to trust you. Its The only way they will listen to you. Ive been told im full of it for saying that because thats what they make tri tronics for. CRAP. You keep fryin a dog hes just going to become more afraid. Spend time with them thats the best you can do.

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Havent had her long but what I cant understand is why she went from being fine to wanting nothing to do with anybody??? Its just got me frustrated I guess. Its not just me she wont have nothing to do with its my girlfriend and my sister too I told them to see if she would let them get there hands on her and see how she acted around them but she did the same thing. the first few days I had her ALL she done was pace back and forth in the kennel and bark and wag her tail now yu CANT get her to come out of her doghouse??? I don't get it man. She was waggin her tail and really playful and friendly the first few days she was here now shes just shy and stays in her house. I get her out and walk her and play with her everyday when I get home for an hour or more sometimes. I take her to the creek and let her run loose and the first few days she would come to me when I called for her. I let her out the day before yesterday and walked down to the creek and all around the woods behind my house for a good little bit and shed stay 5 or 10 yards from me waggin her tail and acted fine then if id call her name or walk in her direction put her tail between her legs and hightail it away from me as fast as she could. then yesterday the same thing but worse she wouldn't get within 50 yards of me. I got her out today on a lead and walked her for about 30 minutes and she fought the lead the whole time and if I walked near bushes or anything she could hide at shed dive in em and cower down like I was gunna hit her or something. I haven't laid a finger on her or even yelled at her ive been as patient as I could with her because I understand she's young but idk if she'll get better or not. when I go in the kennel to feed her she comes out the dog house then runs as fast and hard as she can back in and cowers and shakes then when I put the feed in her bowl she'll stick her head out and wait until im back on the porch before shell come back out then if yu talk to her or move she runs back in the house like shes scared for her life??? Ive seen some shy dogs bust most of the ones ive had warmed up to me sooner than later. I don't know guys but I really appreciate all the help I really do. thanks again

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I'd say for a dog to have a drastic behavior change like that, something might have happened that you didn't see. Are there any kids around that could have done something to her while you were away?

I've got a chocolate lab here that stays in the house with me, and goes just about everywhere I go. I raised him from a pup, he's like my kid. He has always been very friendly, and craves attention from anyone who will give it to him. When he was about two years old, I left him sitting in the truck while I went in the convenience store. When I came out, there were some kids scurrying to get out of sight, and my dog was in the passengers seat shaking, and afraid. Those rotten little devils must have been teasing him, getting him all worked up. He felt cornered and threatened. He's 5 now, and since that day, he will not let anyone come even close to that truck when I'm not around. He will go off like he's a killer, but if I'm within his sight, he's fine. Or if I let him out, he's friendly as he can be with anyone, kids, little dogs, or whatever. But he will let you know, you'd better not come near that truck.

My point is, something like that can leave a lasting impression on a dog.

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Whenever you're doing work with ur pup its a good idea to make their successes rewarding! Give her a treat and pet her up when she does something right! Try not to get angry, just give it time! They really do want to please you, just need to know what you want! Keep her on the lead for some long walks in the woods, its ok to give it a tug to keep her right! Call her, when she comes give her a treat and a whole lot of attention! Just remember to keep it positive for her and she'll respond eventually, good luck man and have fun

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Thanks guys!!! :-) ive been giving her pieces of hot dog and really petting her up I havent got mad and have been super positive with her. And shorecooner the only people that are around is my girlfriend and sister my sisters 21 and my gfs 20 and both of them are really dog lovers and would never do anything of that nature. Idk she will hopefully get over whatever is wrong with her. Thanks guys for the help!!!

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Hey msinc how long would yu have a dog to see if it would ever come out of that bein skittish and shy? ik some dogs are shy at first then warm up but some are always shy? And behind my house is like 50 acres of woods creeks hollers and mountains it aint in the city or nothing lol. im just tryin to get the ground work started right with her as far as leading and handling goes a dog with a good handle is so much more enjoyable than one that don't. if I can get her minding me and listening to voice commamds I will hunt her every night but I wont it to be more enjoyable for me and her. it aint gottta be a hassle ALL the time. I know theres gunna be rough long nights to make her a dog and ive had a plenty in the past im just tryin to learn as much as I possibly can to train dogs and understand them better. I can deal with a lot but shy and skittish is hard to work with for me that's why im tryin to understand more about dog behavior and training techniques. thanks a lot for all the advice and input fellas its greatly appreciated ive been hunting for about 5 or 6 years and im still green when it comes to trainin so any advice is appreciated thanks again and have a good one fellas!!!


Well, I think the first thing to do is get on the same page about shyness. Let me first say that a little shyness towards strangers can be a good thing...it is sometimes all there is between getting the dog back and getting the dog stolen. I don't particularly like my dogs to go to just anyone. That helps me to find them the next day if I have no choice but to leave them out until morning.
Where shyness becomes a problem is when it hinders the dogs ability to deliver what you need it to do or what it is supposed to do. If the dog is so shy it wont hunt because it is freaked out that you are there that would be a problem. if it heads for the truck box or kennel to get away from you every time you cut it loose or just in general seems or acts like it would be a lot happier if you weren't around...and these things don't get any better or you are not able to see any improvement in a few months I would seriously evaluate just how much this dog means to you.
Some dogs, and they are rare, will seem a little shy or funny about a new owner but soon get over it. In this case the dog is able to realize that you are not a problem and it pretty quickly joins the team. Usually though they are born shy and they stay that way.
I am not saying wait a certain number of days and get rid of the dog. I will say it this way; life is too short to waste time on a dog that just ain't gonna show signs of being what you want soon after getting it. Ever wonder why the same bunch of guys always seem to have an excellent coon dog??? Ever wonder why the same several guys always seem to have a top notch competition dog that wins many of the hunts he is entered??? It's not that they are luckier than you or they are some kind of "wonder trainer"...they aint the dog whisperer. They just don't put up with less than what they want. I am sure they get the same occasional less than great dog we all do, but you can best believe they will not waste time that is better put to a dog with no issues.
I see it has been suggested that something might have happened to this dog. Maybe but maybe not...shyness is one of those strange behavior problems that isn't always from day one. I once had one of the best English Setters in this county and one day while hunting he pointed a covey, we shot a few birds and he retrieved them. The next covey he pointed he broke his point and went the other way when we shot. We found him under my truck shaking. From that day on all you had to do was look at him and make the noise "shick, shick" like a pump gun and he would dribble and crawl away on his belly. Nothing happened to this dog he just went gunshy. He was 2 years old. Good luck.

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That's something to chew on right there because I don't put up with anything less than what I want for too long and everybody I hunt with tells me im too picky about a dog. idk maybe I am. so time will tell I guess because she acts just like yu said shed rather for me not to be around her at all and its hard to work with that. thanks man

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Some dogs are just shy, but its also possible the dog is sick in some way you haven't figured out. Try handling her all over and see if she's acting like something is painful--stressed jpints, or some other problem. Try changing her feed--she may be getting indigestion from whatever you're feeding. Bring her to the vet and get bloodwork done--she may have thyroid problems or be diabetic, or any of a number of problems that aren't apparent. Might even be bad worms. Behavioral changes that significant are usually related to health issues.
A lot of times, dogs that are handled a lot as puppies bond with people a lot better than ones that have minimal contact with humans in the early weeks. Far too many coonhounds are not well socialized around people when pups. Some of them can be coaxed into caring about people later, but some of them never warm up to people. That's one of the reasons its important to know who you are getting a pup from.
Coonhounds have to respect their people before they listen to them. If your hound thinks you're a lousy hunter, she may not respond to you until she considers you a hunting buddy. If she trees a coon and you're too lazy to go into her and pet her up and praise her, she's going to ignore you.
If she's just not listening and you need to get her to pay attention to you more, do what the AKC show people do--get some treats and make sure they're covered with your scent before you hand them over.
When my hounds won't listen to me, I use a treat made of freeze-dried lamb lungs that is like doggie crack. There are several different brands available at most pet supply stores--Lamb crunchies is one, Merrick is another. These make terrific training bribes. You offer the treat as a reward regularly at first, then every second or third time, then only occasionally. I have one hound that won't come back and load up if he hasn't treed. Since coon are scarce here, it can make for a long night. But, if I break out the lamb lungs, he is in that truck right away. I wouldn't bribe kids that way, but dogs are simple-minded and dogs in training work well for bribes! No morals involved!
One thing you don't want to do with a shy hound is reprimand too sharply. Most hounds really do want to please and will try to if they understand what you want. If you make what you want clear to them, they will try to do it. If the dog isn't doing what you want, think about how you are trying to convey the message, and try something different. Dogs are individuals, and they have individual responses. A lot of times what works with one dog doesn't work with the next.
A lot of times people use another dog to train the new dog. That's why people get "pup trainers." If she knows how to hunt, but not how to be buddies with people, expose her to another dog that is well-bonded with you, or if you don't have another dog, another dog that is well bonded with its human. Dogs learn from each other more easily than they do from all but the best humantrainers.
Watch her closely and see if you can figure out what motivates her, whether its food, or petting, or even a scent rag. You'll make progress. Patience is difficult, but its the best medicine in a case like this!

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I know this might sound dumb to some but I just came back in from fooling with her and I carry a bandanna in my back pocket and wipe the sweat off my face with it and I put her back in the kennel and just sit on her dog house rubbing her and she started sniffin me and sniffed the bandana and rooted under me to grab it with her mouth and pulled it out and started playin with it then she dropped it and jumped back on the dog house beside me and sit down and started nudging on me to rub her so I did for probably 10 or 15 minutes and then went to get some water for her and she was barkin and waggin her tail standin up on the kennel!!! so idk maybe shes just moody lol but that's a little bit of progress a step forward not backwards!!! thanks Emily and everybody else who is helpin me out!!!

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Fisher13
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Re: scent rag

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I know this might sound dumb to some but I just came back in from fooling with her and I carry a bandanna in my back pocket and wipe the sweat off my face with it and I put her back in the kennel and just sit on her dog house rubbing her and she started sniffin me and sniffed the bandana and rooted under me to grab it with her mouth and pulled it out and started playin with it then she dropped it and jumped back on the dog house beside me and sit down and started nudging on me to rub her so I did for probably 10 or 15 minutes and then went to get some water for her and she was barkin and waggin her tail standin up on the kennel!!! so idk maybe shes just moody lol but that's a little bit of progress a step forward not backwards!!! thanks Emily and everybody else who is helpin me out!!!


bingo, now your using head, dog training is simple and boring, but very rewarding.

First don't be pushy, sounds like you already have been.

Don't ever pet a dog that doesn't want to be petted.
I would start with what you just did, lay an old t shirt with your scent on, in her bedding this will allow her to get used to her scent.

Bring her treats, let her approach you, kneel down, avoid eye contact, talk softly. Body language is everything with dogs.

She doesn't like the lead because she isn't lead broke, all dogs are that way.

Getting a pup to use a lead is a whole lesson in it self.

"The art of raising a puppy" By the Monks of New Skete is an excellent book, ck it out, everything to lay a good foundation, can be found in that book.

Shyness has nothing to do with ability, and usually can be fixed with proper training. Most guys get rid of shy pups, because its easier to sell the pup, then fix it. A lot of females, have certain levels of shyness, and can often be snobbish, and moody.

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Re: Thanks man

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Thanks man. I get her out everyday and walk her in the woods behind my house and to the creek. I spend as much time with her as I can. Shes 7 months old so shes still a pup and like a sponge. Im like yu as far as having a dog ride with yu in the truck and stuff like that. A lot of guys say ahhh yu gunna ruin that dog and make it a pet but I think they connect and bond better that way. The training part is what gets me like ground work and stuff of that nature. but thanks for the advice man!!!!
don't believe that crap about ruining your dog,,,my dog lives inside the house with me,,,and he is a nite champion with 3 wins towards grand

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My husband has a lil female that is SHY. She just came out that way because I know for a fact hes never touched her in a harmful way and she was born on his place.
When we got togeather, she was abt 4 then, she wouldnt have anything to do with me. I worked with her, just like you are, and now she and I are inseperable. Shes my heart.

I love reading your stories abt how all you bond with your dogs. Dogs are always going to worship their owners. No matter how they are treated.....for the most part. Its humans that let the dog down time and time again.

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I think dogs like routine my dogs are pets but when you put collars on they change in to hunt mode

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