Registered: Sep 2010
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Have any if you hunting judges deleted tree points yet as per rule 5(d)?
I wonder how many are even aware? This strikes me as one of the breed associations stupider rule changes. We went from a simple plus- minus- circle to something that now requires a written formula .
From the archives.



Here’s a simple chart on when to delete or circle when there’s not a majority to plus or minus the tree.

• 2 minus / 2 circle = delete

• 2 minus / 2 plus = circle

• 1 minus / 3 circle = circle

Anybody had this occur in a hunt yet?

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Registered: Dec 2005
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I did, I was the judge. We had an old mans dog tree by itself. We had two saying minus and the other two of us said circle. I told em we'd just delete it then, one of the guys saying minus argued that we couldn't do that "it don't work that way" he said, before we could pull the rules out the old man switched his vote to minus and we went on.

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Registered: Mar 2013
Location: Eastern Shore Maryland
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I have never been in that situation before. I don't see why it's a bad rule, it's pretty clear on what to do if you do run into that. I've been fortunate that all the handlers I've hunted with this year have been honest men, and call the dogs for what they do, and score trees accordingly.

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Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Paragon IN
Posts: 1100

How about
2 vote to delete, 2 vote to plus=??
I was MOH at an RQE this year and a question came back where dogs returned to the same general area they had been before. They re treed them and found a coon. 2 guys said it was the same tree they had scored on prior, 2 guys said it was a different tree, so I looked at it like we had 2 voting to plus and 2 to delete. Honestly I'm not sure the proper ruling, but I deleted it and it didn't have any bearing on hunt placement, but what is the correct ruling?

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Registered: Sep 2010
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I think you got that one wrong. That situation was solely a judges decisions, was it the same tree or not? Judge decides, anyone can can question, takes a majority to over rule the judge, anyone dissatisfied beyond that takes it to the MOH.
By deleting it, you basically ruled they treed on a previously scored tree.

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Registered: Oct 2004
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Judge was one of the 2 that said it was the same tree.

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Well my point is, this is not a voting situation UNLESS someone questions the judges decision. Whether or not dogs have returned to a previously scored tree is a judges decision.

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http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...eadid=928366325

Follow the link above. I think Allen answered your question on this other post. I didn't know which way it would be until Allen explained it.

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Registered: Oct 2004
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Well I'll be darn, guess this one already got put on here, guess we both got it wrong Jim. I sure never thought we could plus a tree that the judge and another cast member says is the same tree scored previously.

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BLUE LONER (RIP)
UKC GR NT CH RATTLERS BLUE SKY (RIP)
UKC Gr NT CH, PKC Ch Sheppard's Northern Blue Abbie, (PiazonxSky) UKC GR NT CH 'pr' Sheppards Northern Blue Punkin (PiazonXAlice) High scoring Bluetick of the 2015 (50th anniversary) Grand American, 2017 National Grand Nite Champion of breed, 2017 BBOA zone 4 Nite hunt dog of the year. Queen of hunt on 2019 Grand National Bluetick Reunion, 5th place and High Scoring Bluetick of 2019 UKC world Nite hunt Championship, 2019 Triple Crown Winner.
UKC GR NT CH 'pr' Mckintosh's Blue Flame Chopper
Gr Nt Ch Sheppards Northern Blue Goomba (Piazon X Dizzie) 14th place 2017 UKC world coon hound championship 100 purina point cast wins in 2018
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