Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Pennsylvania
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I was wondering if anyone ever see's any of the old high tan looking redbones. I'm not talking about the Black and Tan ones that show up here and there . I mean the redbone that has a black or very dark brown "saddle' between their shoulders and hips. I remember seeing one when I was a kid. but have not seen one in many years.
Danny ,do you have any pictures of one?

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GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


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I had one, sold her to a b&t man in IL, she accidentally got bred, and lost it after giving birth. I will look to see if I can find pics of her younger and older, her son also had onethat was kind of nnoticeable.

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here are some pics
Ruby (female from me) is on the right here, my walker is in the middle and Beef (pup out of Ruby) is on the left

Ms Ruby

Beef, climbing on a lap


Ruby at 5/6 weeks

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At one time in the distant past, when UKC coonhound breeds were just sorting out, there was actually a move afoot to have a breed called "saddleback" that ws that coloration. I'll go back to my history books and see if I can find some names and dates and bloodlines. I've seen pix of dogs that were almost as strongly saddled as some bloodhounds are.

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SADDLEBACKS WERE FAIRLY COMMON MANY YRS AGO BUT THAT HAS BEEN BASICLY BRED OUT, THE PICS ABOVE IS NOT A SADDLE BACK

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Don - I agree with u , {{ that is not a saddle back }}

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She is not a full saddle back, agreed, but she had the reminents of it... That dark red saddle didn't come from nowhere

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quote:

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Originally posted by RED REBELS
She is not a full saddle back, agreed, but she had the reminents of it... That dark red saddle didn't come from nowhere

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I have owned a few in my day but you don't see many any more, but that was back when there were a lot more cross bred hounds around, now mostly pure bred hounds,

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Is the saddleback found in bloodhounds? I think I can remember seeing some somewhere....Danny McClesky where are you... Walking encyclopedia of redbone info...

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I've done a little reading on the origin of the redbone breed in the past. What I had read was that our breed had started with the cross of the Bloodhound and the English foxhound and a Irish hound was later crossed in as well. What I read said that the saddleback coloring in some dogs came from the Bloodhound and that the white that showed up in some came from the Irish hound. Also the explaination for why Black and Tans show up sometimes was because the Redbone and Black and Tan came from basically the same origin.

Anyone who has some expierence in breeding knows how things like this can skip SEVERAL generations and pop back up years later out of no where. Also we all know ALL coonhound breeds have probally been crossbred many times in the past as well so maybe its just that that causes these things to pop back up too.

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Location: Pennsylvania
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It is something I have been wondering about. We still see Black and Tan redbones and we see redbones with big white bumpers but you never see the Saddleback High Tans anymore. I would love o see a living one again. I agree the pics are not saddlebacks. he dogs I remember were lighter red and black saddles with little bit of red hairs all thru . You can still find Bloodhounds with this kind of makings.

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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

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IT LIKE MOST OF WHITE COLOR HAS BEEN BRED OUT OF THE COON HOUNDS

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I will have to dig but I got a couple

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I currently have a male dog that we kept out of a litter we raised. He is a high tan. He is 3 now.. and he is an awesome coonhound. Both parents were registered Redbones.

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I currently have a male dog that we kept out of a litter we raised. He is a high tan. He is 3 now.. and he is an awesome coonhound. Both parents were registered Redbones.

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Lets see a pic. Keep in mind the old high tans had no black on their neck or heads, those are Black and Tan redbones. The black would be only on their back and sides.

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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

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Registered: Feb 2011
Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
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I dont know how to post pis on here.
I have plenty of him to share... on the tree and fighting coon on the ground.
Tell me how to post.

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SOMEONE TELL HIM HOW.. I DON'T KNOW EITHER.. AND ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY..

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I'm no tech expert , my kids post em for me. sorry

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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

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Registered: Jan 2008
Location: North Alabama
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Kelly,
When I am looking thru the old magazines and if I see one I will post it. I'm sure there is one some where.

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1986 Autumn Oaks National Grand Nite Ch Redbone
GrNiteCh GrCh Key River Rock

1992 Autumn Oaks National Grand Nite Ch Redbone
1992 Autumn Oaks - Overall High Scoring Redbone
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GrNiteCh Flint Creek Hustlin Amy
NiteCh Flint Creek Hustlin Amos
NiteCH Ch Johnos Red Sugar
NiteCh Ch Treefines Firecracker
NiteCh Flint Creek Miss Minnie
NiteCh GrCh Flint Creek Red Champ
NiteCh Guinns Rusty

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You can email them to me at lizziehounds@gmail.com and I can post them foryyou

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Posting pictures. You first have to post them on another site. I use Hunt101.com. Once posted there, you copy the link for the picture and paste the link on here. There use to be detailed instructions on this message board, I can't find them now.

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http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...eadid=928282317

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Nite Hunt Titled Dogs I Owned

1986 Autumn Oaks National Grand Nite Ch Redbone
GrNiteCh GrCh Key River Rock

1992 Autumn Oaks National Grand Nite Ch Redbone
1992 Autumn Oaks - Overall High Scoring Redbone
GrNiteCh Flint Creek Hustlin Doc

GrNiteCh Flint Creek Hustlin Amy
NiteCh Flint Creek Hustlin Amos
NiteCH Ch Johnos Red Sugar
NiteCh Ch Treefines Firecracker
NiteCh Flint Creek Miss Minnie
NiteCh GrCh Flint Creek Red Champ
NiteCh Guinns Rusty

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Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
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Thank you for the information!
It helped considerably.
Here is a few pics of my male high tan/saddleback.
I will post a pic of his littermate sister too.. she is solid Red.









His Litter mate Sister...


Having some fun with my Jack Russell... Lucy.

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