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Location: North Louisiana
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Hound/Cur Cross Question
I've got a really nice Walker bitch that I'm considering breeding to an OMCBA male dog. I'm a coonhunter. I'm not interested in sq. hunting. I want to make the cross because I mostly patch hunt (40 acre tracts) and want something that has a better handle than most hounds. I want something that hunts a little closer, but have no desire to walk hunt a dog.
I know breeding can be a crap shoot, but could breeding a good walker bitch to a cur male produce what I'm looking for?
Bubba Billy Wilhite, you got to watch which line of OMCBA dog you make the cross with, as some have had a good dose of Walker blood over the years. Some OMCBA dogs these days look like hounds, sound like hounds, and hunt like hounds.
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quote:Originally posted by orchidhunter Bubba Billy Wilhite, you got to watch which line of OMCBA dog you make the cross with, as some have had a good dose of Walker blood over the years. Some OMCBA dogs these days look like hounds, sound like hounds, and hunt like hounds.
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quote:Originally posted by orchidhunter Bubba Markey, it's common knowledge up here on Sand Moutain, where they are no limits, and the season never ends.
I got on pretty good authority (you) that knowledge ain't all that common on Sand Mtn.........Ha!!!
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The OMCBA dog I want to breed to belongs to a good friend of mine. He's heavy jukebox bred and is a really nice and accurate squirrel dog. I really like the way the curs hustle and "hunt out" the woods. I've seen alot of hounds these days that just Bee line out and get treed 3/4 of a mile away.
You can't have everything you want, but I would love to have a coondog that will range out 500-600yds and actually hunt out the woods.
My walker gyp is UKC registered, if I make this cross could I register the litter as "treeing cur" or will they have to be single registered?
Ole twolips is an idiot-- agreed. He is however correct on hound in many OMCBA dogs. Everybody knows it Mark even your lawyer side that keeps screaming for proof. It is there with 100% certainty period.
Dean Wright
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quote:Originally posted by luv2hunt08 Ole twolips is an idiot-- agreed. He is however correct on hound in many OMCBA dogs. Everybody knows it Mark even your lawyer side that keeps screaming for proof. It is there with 100% certainty period.
Dean Wright
..........I'M NOT SCREAMING.......JUST ASKING VERY LOUDLY!
Guys..I think you are going to be out of luck getting Ol' Orchid to post a picture of himself and his dogs...unless he finds a way to cut and paste one into his pen.
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I found an old photo......
quote:Originally posted by Clif Owen Guys..I think you are going to be out of luck getting Ol' Orchid to post a picture of himself and his dogs...unless he finds a way to cut and paste one into his pen.
Billy, I've wanted to do the same thing for the same reasons for a number of years. If you've found a cur that interests you, you're ahead of the game.
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I've been thinking about it for a while. Just got to go out on a limb and try it. I just now found a male cur that suits me. We took him coonhunting in the corn field one night and he did great, but those were super hot tracks.
I guess I'm just hesitant about this cross cause I'm out of my element dealing with curs. I've been studying Walker bloodlines for years and know alot more about them.
I know this is a loaded question, but what bloodlines of OMBCA curs make the better cooners?
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I patch hunt and have a 20 month old male 1/2 mtn cur 1/2 walker that money can't buy. I would make that cross in a heart beet. Best recipe to get what you are looking for IMO.
I think that would be a great cross. Juke box on a walker female, I had a tuff enough female that didn't want nothing to do with a sq but was a kill dog when it came to coons. I think it will work for you or you might want to do some lookin at the busher lines.
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quote:Originally posted by luv2hunt08 Brogy you need to check out Tim Lundells MAX-- tr cur and NICE coon dog. PROVEN reproducer as well on hounds and tr curs.
Dean Wright
I've heard that more than once. I see Max has won his share of *kc hunts too. That's the type I'm looking for. I did squirrel hunt with a female off Max once, but was not impressed. I'm not looking for a squirrel dog though. I like my Clover bred Walkers, but I'm ready to get out of hounds and am looking for a multipurpose dog that would also be apart of the family. Something that can tree coon consistently with enough nose for a Minnesota hide season, with a handle that hunts a woods out.
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I've thought about crossing on a leopard, but they are few and far between. I like what I hear about em. Saw a write up not too long ago about the McDill's Johnny Reb dogs, but they all seem to go back to Wick's Camo jug. You may be right, I might need to put some miles on the pickup and go hunt with a leopard.
I also saw where a leopard won the winter classic recently. Just want something that will hunt a good patch of woods out, before they blow through the country. I used to think a dog getting in there 3/4 of mile was really cool, but now I'm realizing that dog had to have passed up at least one or two coons.
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Odds are that you will get what you are looking for out of a cross like this, but not necessarily from every individual pup in the litter. You will need to start, hunt and sort the whole litter to find your ideal.
It's not a new concept by any stretch. I know hunters who made hound cur crosses back in the '70s. They called them grade dogs then and more than a few got papers slapped on them.
On another note;
Mark, if argue with that idiot flower child long enough it becomes hard to distinguish who the idiot is. Why cater to the lowest common denominator.
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