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a couple months ago i saw a post saying that ukc was going to discuss the use of the alpha at ukc events during the oaks. just wondering if this is true and what the outcome was?

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From what I can tell it wasn't brought up at the rule change meeting.

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Alpha don't have to be brought or discussed at the rule meeting. If Ukc wants it. They can implement it on their own. Which Id bet they will.

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ok wasnt sure how it worked thanks.

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Alpha don't have to be brought or discussed at the rule meeting. If Ukc wants it. They can implement it on their own. Which Id bet they will.

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So one hunter should be punished because the other doesn't do things a certain way? I'm all for it, your not supposed to have them on anyways.

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Well I think the Alphas should be used just because a hunter has the old system is it fair to me that I have a Alpha? If that the case dont let no carry any tracking device with them thats equal playing grounds.JMO

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I'm confused as to how if the hand-held is shut off, like the Garmin is supposedbto be during hunt time, how it is unfair for anyone? Nobody should have their tracking receiver (Garmin alpha or a beep beep) turned on, NOBODY, unless it is left in the truck. If we want to make that an even playing field, we should say no tracking systems... How is it fair to the hunter like me, that cannot afford a tracking system? Yes I hunt my dog without one, but you don't here me complaining that everyone else has one. How is it fair to the hunter that is keeping up with the technology to tell him he can have it because someone else doesn't want to buy one?

I personally think that the alpha should be treated the same as a regular Garmin because you can't shock a dog if the controller is off, as they are supposed to be, right?

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Originally posted by RED REBELS

I personally think that the alpha should be treated the same as a regular Garmin because you can't shock a dog if the controller is off, as they are supposed to be, right?

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Originally posted by Rough Northern
You and me are in a hunt. You have a regular garmin and I have a Alpha. Timeout is called. Who do you think is gonna get there dog faster? TONE BUTTON.

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Originally posted by rweller

Personally I don't think they should be allowed because the there are still a lot of hunters that don't use garmins and it wouldn't be fair to them. I have a couple of buddies that don't have one. They still use the old beep systems. JMO

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Originally posted by Tim Toler
How about this scenario.. dogs get out of pocket and timeout is called.. I have to walk say 15 minutes back to the truck to get my
hand held and turn it on... you have the 320 or 220 so you can turn yours on right then because you can carry yours... it takes me 15 minutes to walk back to the truck... you are heading to your dog as soon as you turn yours on so who is getting their dog first in that scenario? NO DIFFERENCE...

Question... does your dog wear a shock collar during a hunt? if so do you leave your transmitter in the truck?? what would you do in the same scenario as above if you use the shock collar and transmitter instead of an Alpha? Wouldn't you walk the 30 yards back to the truck and get the transmitter and use the TONE BUTTON? I am sure you would...

So you are saying punish me for pinching pennies to purchase the Alpha?

Personally I think either allowed to carry them all as long as they are off or not allowed to carry any...

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very simple fix then... NO TRACKING DEVICES ALLOWED AT ALL... that takes care of everyone no matter if the newest of technology or the oldest technology...

How about this question... why not carry the transmitters?? if they are off like every other electronic device should be??

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I'm covered any way. I have a Beep Beep a 320 and an Alpha

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smoke you got all bases covered!! haha. i wasnt trying to start anything by making this post, just asking if it was discussed or not. the way i look at it is if the unit is off like its suppose to be it doesnt matter what unit/collar you are running. i do know that if i buy one i dont want to be limited to its use just because someone doesnt have one.

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I wish i could afford a a used garmine i thought i was cool when i got a beep beep system to weeks agi lol

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Lets do this scenario Nite Ch cast hunt time out has just been called dog B split treed along ways off just after time out called. Dog A handler walks in gets his dog has a coon can't score treed afer time out to. Dog B handler hits tone button so he doesn't have to walk in. His English dog is under a possum at the time but nobody sees it. Dog B wins cast when he should have been scratched. This would be the worst thing UKC could do leave it in the truck fact is I wish they couldn't even wear a shock collar do your training at home. Use Alpha for training and get a 320 for hunts.

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Lets do this scenario Nite Ch cast hunt time just run out dog B split treed along ways off just after hunt time. Dog A handler walks in gets his dog has a coon can't score it hunt time was over when it treed. Dog B handler hits tone button so he doesn't have to walk in. His English dog is under a possum at the time but nobody sees it. Dog B wins cast when he should have been scratched. This would be the worst thing UKC could do leave it in the truck fact is I wish they couldn't even wear a shock collar do your training at home. Use Alpha for training and get a 320 for hunts.

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Originally posted by Night Shift
Lets do this scenario Nite Ch cast hunt time just run out dog B split treed

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GARMON WILL FIX IT THEY WILL COME OUT WITH THE ALPHA 60 FOR THE COMP HUNTER ALL THE FEATURES OF THE ALPHA WITH NO SHOCKER ONLY 899.00 GIVE EVERYONE SOMETHING NEW TO BUY JUST SAVE YOUR MONEY

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Originally posted by Tim Toler
what would you do in the same scenario as above if you use the shock collar and transmitter instead of an Alpha? Wouldn't you walk the 30 yards back to the truck and get the transmitter and use the TONE BUTTON? I am sure you would...

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Originally posted by Night Shift
Lets do this scenario Nite Ch cast hunt time just run out dog B split treed along ways off just after hunt time. Dog A handler walks in gets his dog has a coon can't score it hunt time was over when it treed. Dog B handler hits tone button so he doesn't have to walk in. His English dog is under a possum at the time but nobody sees it. Dog B wins cast when he should have been scratched. This would be the worst thing UKC could do leave it in the truck fact is I wish they couldn't even wear a shock collar do your training at home. Use Alpha for training and get a 320 for hunts.

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i agree with no shockers allowed on hunts. Training is done at home and during the week nights pleasure hunting. Im all for tracking your dogs, and I don't see how I ever hunted without a tracker of some sort now that I run trackers. Back in the early 80s when I began hunting very few had trackers. But far as shockers go, leave them at home.

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We are not allowed to use a shocking system even on time out.

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One thing I do set and wonder while reading posts like this is:

WHEN IS GARMIN GOING TO PULL THEIR SPONSORSHIP FROM UKC?

One of the biggest sponsors, if not the biggest sponsor of UKC.

Question how many people would upgrade from whatever system they have now (if they could afford it) if the rules were different for UKC night hunts?

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