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Would you buy pup from a brood female that has never been hunted? I see them for sale all the time. 5-6-7 year old brood females that have never been hunted. me personally im not buying a pup out of somethin that could be a cull. would y'all? Yes or no and why please. just trying to understand

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Coon dog to coon dog is the only breeding program I will buy a pup from

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The mom to my dog would not run or treed anything we bred her 1 time she had 6 pups every pup made nitch and 2 made Grnitech before they was two years old when then bred her sister that was a real hound to the same stud and NONE!!!!! Of the pups would do anything we culled all of them you never know what your going to get

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that all depends on what she has in her as far as genetics. a lot of brood females are over looked and a lot aint worth a bullet. sometimes you need to look past them titles and look at the bloodline. coondog to coondog is not the same as title's to title's. all grand pedigree dont make a coondog. you gotta have good breeding stock to make a good coondog.

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Well to me in my mind buying a pup from a non hunting mother is a crap shoot. you just never know what your gonna get. buying a pup from hunting parents increases the chance of getting a hunter. When i see the add brood female that doesn't hunt or has never been hunted I don't think now there's a houndsman right there. i think there's someone whose in it to crank out $200 puppies as fast as possible. but that's just my thoughts.

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I got one I breed that has never been hunted... got a few pups off of her that no one will price... got some that can be bought at a decent price.... the gyp will run and tree but never been hunted... just runs loose around the house... but shes still a brood gyp that's never been hunted

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that all depends on what she has in her as far as genetics. a lot of brood females are over looked and a lot aint worth a bullet. sometimes you need to look past them titles and look at the bloodline. coondog to coondog is not the same as title's to title's. all grand pedigree dont make a coondog. you gotta have good breeding stock to make a good coondog.

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It is a crap shoot regardless of titles. If you like the breeding the title does not mean anything. I like what was posted "Papers don't make the dog, dog makes the papers." If I like the pedigree I will buy the pup. Everybody has the option to buy what they want but I don't think titles make any dog better than the other.

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I could be completely wrong, but wouldn't the female reproduce exactly the same? Regardless of being hunted or not? Hunting the dog or not hunting the dog has no effect on the dog's blood. Personally, I would rather hunt with both parents first, so I will know what kind of traits the pup should have. However, I do believe if the female was never hunted the gene is in her, and she would pass it on regardless of never making a trip to the woods. Just my .02 cents.

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if sacket jr would have never been hunted, spent his life in a little old ladies house eating dog biscuits every day his ability to reproduce would have been the exact same. same goes for rat attack, nailor, any of them. i'm a whole lot more willing to buy a puppy off of or breed a female that has never had the chance than one that was given the chance and didn't make it. some of the most successful breeders in our sport used "brood" females. my philosophy on dog breeding is if you want to try it, try it! if it doesn't work don't do it again.

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Three of my best Grand Nites came off potlicking females. The Grand I'm hunting now came off an accidental breeding and he's making quite a name for himself. I'm a big believer in bloodlines and luck.

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I would rather have a pup out of a top notch female, but I wouldn't turn my nose up if the bitch was bred like I like.

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I see what most of y'all are saying. she will pass the traits along regardless of weather she hunts or not. but what if she's a gator and nobody knows it and her pups chew on every dog at the tree. you've just created dogs that are bad for the breed.

On another note everybody was sayin titled to titled don't always make coondogs. i didn't say nothing bout titles i said hunting parents. im a big believer in the country coondogs that have never been entered in a comp hunt.

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You know, anytime you make a 1st time cross it's a flip of a coin. It may work, it may not.

But I can tell you this, I do know that you can take 2 dogs that have never been hunted and cross them and come out with outstanding puppies. It was years ago (13 actually), and it was an accidental breeding. It happened with a friend of ours. He was such a kind hearted guy he lived way back in the woods in Bryson City. He often had dogs show up at his house. Some had collars some did not. He always tried to re-unite the dog with the owners. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Well, he ended up with a male and a female Walker. He had them in the lot together and you guessed it, she came in heat and he didn't catch it until it was to late. He never dealt with females, but he loved her personality, so he kept her. He didn't have the heart to cull the puppies, so he just found hunting homes for them with kids and people he knew. The pups were never registered, and we got the last puppy, a female off the cross. We named her Callie because she had a calico ear. That dog was awesome. We decided since she wasn't registered, we would have her a "game" dog, and wow what fun was she! She would run rabbits, squirrels, groundhogs, coon, possum, hogs, bear, she would even "tree" turkey and grouse! She was sooo much fun because you never knew what she was going to get after. We didn't hunt her with other dogs once we got her started "gaming" because we didn't want them picking up any bad habits. But if we just wanted to go out one day or night and just have fun, we took Callie! It was GREAT! When I got put in the hospital while I was pregnant with Cheyenne we had to really cut down on our dogs, so Callie was one we had to let go. Q gave her to a young boy and he had her till she died!

If it is there to be, then it will be regardless of whether the dog is given a chance or not.

I wouldn't think twice about taking the chance on another dog like Callie!

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I see what most of y'all are saying. she will pass the traits along regardless of weather she hunts or not. but what if she's a gator and nobody knows it and her pups chew on every dog at the tree. you've just created dogs that are bad for the breed.

On another note everybody was sayin titled to titled don't always make coondogs. i didn't say nothing bout titles i said hunting parents. im a big believer in the country coondogs that have never been entered in a comp hunt.

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Just because she was a gator, junk running fool & a slick treeing idiot doesn't mean she couldn't have had a GR NT title! That's why your odds are way better staying within a family of dogs you know well, even if she was no count at all at least you know the chararestics behind her.

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Would you use a stud who was never hunted.??.. I bet not, so why a gyp, I mean it is 50-50 you cant count on 90% of stud genetics, it dont work that way, the only time a unused "brood" female is used is in gamefowl, if her brothers have it, and daddy did you try her once if the stags stroke then she lives in brood pen.blood dont matter, all those high class dogs named would have NEVER been used as studs if they were just pets, they were tested tried dogs, proven ability, you gotta at least get an idea of how she goes because 50% of your pup is her. By that theory then it dont matter how parents are, hunted or pets, so take both from parents who hunted, they dont get used except breeding, are any outsiders coming to use him, no, your buddys all get free pets, then by your second generation breeding age the work blood is thin, by 3rd or 4th its all but gone ....jmo

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just because a dog hunts well doesnt not mean it will reproduce well. as far as breeding to a brood male that hasnt been hunted I wouldnt be afraid to try it. if it works great if not cull them all and dont breed him again. same with a brood female. ive only seen a few hounds that would not hunt. most of the time it comes down to the type of training they get. all these trashy dogs and mean dogs come from poor training, not the dog. yes some take more work then others and some only turn out to be medeoaker hunters. if the the dna is there its gonna be passed on regardless of what the parents are like. the drive to wanna hunt is what your breeding for. the rest is up to
you to determine as to how the dog hunts.

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Would you use a stud who was never hunted.??.. I bet not, so why a gyp, I mean it is 50-50 you cant count on 90% of stud genetics, it dont work that way, the only time a unused "brood" female is used is in gamefowl, if her brothers have it, and daddy did you try her once if the stags stroke then she lives in brood pen.blood dont matter, all those high class dogs named would have NEVER been used as studs if they were just pets, they were tested tried dogs, proven ability, you gotta at least get an idea of how she goes because 50% of your pup is her. By that theory then it dont matter how parents are, hunted or pets, so take both from parents who hunted, they dont get used except breeding, are any outsiders coming to use him, no, your buddys all get free pets, then by your second generation breeding age the work blood is thin, by 3rd or 4th its all but gone ....jmo

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Ok what would insane Jane untitled littermate sister be worth? What would you give for a pup out of this female and Xjr?

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For everbody to say they would only buy pups out of top notch females is ignorant.. There are very few dogs that I consider to be top notch.. most females you buy pups out of are half ass trained and limped through the hunts. Then they are talked up and used as a puppy factory.. Breeding is a shot in the dark.. Just because a dog may be a coon dog don't mean they can reproduce and to the other side of that a sht eater may reproduce top notch hounds..

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The real test for a brood female is not how well she hunts but how well her offspring hunts.

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Breeding is a shot in the dark.. Just because a dog may be a coon dog don't mean they can reproduce and to the other side of that a sht eater may reproduce top notch hounds..

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I voted ..don't buy the pup! ............BUT........SOMEBODY TELL ME WHATS THE DIFFERENCE IN A BROOD GYP OR A GRNT FEMALE THAT CANT TREE A COON BY HERSELF......6 A ONE /HALF DOZ THE OTHER ID GUESS......

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I voted ..don't buy the pup! ............BUT........SOMEBODY TELL ME WHATS THE DIFFERENCE IN A BROOD GYP OR A GRNT FEMALE THAT CANT TREE A COON BY HERSELF......6 A ONE /HALF DOZ THE OTHER ID GUESS......

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