john Duemmer
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul Frederick
Incorrect in many different ways.
Rule 3 (Points Will Be Plus) (a) When dogs strike and tree and coon is seen: (1) by a non-hunting Judge, or (2) by a majority of the cast when hunting Judge is used.
Rule 4 (Points Will Be Minus) (b) When dogs tree and (1) a non-hunting judge or (2) a majority of the cast when hunting Judge is used, can plainly see no coon is there.
No where in either of those rules do you read "majority of cast that at tree" it is always "majority of cast."
The first thing to deal with is handler #3 going to handle his dog that is now treed. The Judge does not have to let that handler go handle the dog. In this case it would have been a good idea for the Judge to tell the handler to stay with the cast until the tree was scored.
Next you have the scoring of the tree. Handler #3 is now going to have to vote based on what he saw in the tree whether to plus, minus, or circle the tree, even though he did not stay for the entire shine time. How he votes will likely decide how the tree is scored since the other two are split on their decision.
Lastly (about John's comment) a hunting Judge is never NEVER EVER the tie-breaker in a scoring situation. A clear majority must be reached every single time, without exception. In three situations you must always have a cast vote: scoring trees, whether or not to call timeout, and whether dogs have returned to previously scored trees. In all three of those instances you must have a majority vote and the judge's vote carries no more weight than any other cast member.
So Paul what you are saying is that if only 3 cast members are present to score a tree that they would have to all vote the same to form a majority?
With 3 scoreing a tree, 1 votes circle, 1 votes minus, and the judge being the 3rd voteing member present, that his vote does not decide the outcome?
Rule 11 also says that handlers WILL be given permision to go handle dogs that are split, it says nothing about the judge being able to deny a handlers request to go.
And it certainly seems to me that anytime a hunting judge votes in a 3 dog cast where the other 2 hunters have voted circle and minus that he will be the tie breaker.
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