Registered: Jun 2011
Location: Louisa, KY
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Hey guys, I have a question?? I have been out of the red dog business the last 4 years or so, for multiple reasons, but have recently started back. I have a couple pretty nice females, and have been looking at studs, and Ive notice this "HTX" title on a couple of these dogs. I don't remember seeing this title on any dogs before I took my leave of absence, so I really don't know what it is. I have been asking around about what this title is, and have gotten several different responses. Please tell me if Im wrong, but from my understanding, the "HTX" Title consists of (3) seperate (1) hour hunts with only one dog, and that one dog must tree at least (1) visible coon in that (1) hour with out getting (2) strikes against him/her. Those strikes would include pretty much anything that would give the dog minus points in a hunt. If the dog trees a coon in the first 20 mins of the hunt, he must still hunt out the remaing 40 mins. If the dog can complete (3) of these hunts then he/she would achieve the HTX title.
So........... I guess my question is this, if I am accurate with what the HTX title consists of, then why isn't more people putting this HTX title on their hounds??? I don't post much one here, but enjoy reading what everyone has to say. Personally, from what I have been told about this HTX title, I really like it, and I am curious why more people aren't doing it?????

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Registered: Dec 2011
Location: Indiana
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Looks to me like you are right on with what HTX is. From what Ive read from others is alot of these Comp. guys think the title is waste of time and money because while a dog can pass HTX doesnt mean they can win a comp hunt. I like the idea but my problem is there arent every any very close to me to do. I think the closest one ive seen around me was 1hour 15min away. Im sorry but to drive that far for a one hour hunt kinda sucks. I wish clubs closer would have them. O not to mention the ones That are the hour distance are usually during the week and that makes a long night to have work the next day. So there you go either people dont think they are worth it or you cant find them close. If you look at a schedule for them there arent all that many seems like certain places have them often but not very many clubs are doing it.

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Location: Louisa, KY
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Why not put the HTX title on your hound along with a nite ch or grand nite ch title, to show everyone that he/she can win the hunts but also consistently tree his/her own coon without the help of another dog? I hear it all the time, "My Dog Doesnt Need Any Help Treeing a Coon". Ok then, the HTX title is away for you to put your money where your mouth is. I was told last night that only 30% of the dogs trying for the HTX title were passing. Not sure if that number is accurate or not, but maybe that title is harder to achieve than people think?? I wasnt aware that only certain clubs were offering these, how come they are not offered through out all the clubs?

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Most clubs have the HTX hunts during the week because of comp hunts on Fri. and Sat. and due to this the turnout to an HTX hunt is small it is also hard for clubs to find enough guides and judges to host the Htx hunts personaly i like them and was lucky enough to have a club close that was doing them last year but has sence stoped because of the lack of guides and judges. And you are right about the number of dogs that pass very few can get it done with out makeing a fault on a seperate drop and some dont hunt good alone. realy seperats the men from the boys so to speak

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I don't have a problem with htx if that's what you enjoy.... I hunt a dog every night im not at a competition hunt just like that and see no reason to pay someone to get to prove anything.... if you think it should be required you could probably corner a big chunk of the market right now and get rich.... so jump on it and see just how important that htx really is.... every dog can fail a htx im sure no matter how good they are.... just like they can get their tails kicked in a night hunt.... I like competition when I go to a hunt... just have no interest to pay good money to drive somewhere to prove what I see most nights... I want to say again... if that's what you enjoy by all means go for it,,, its just not for me

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Registered: Dec 2011
Location: Indiana
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I agree that any given dog on any night could fail. Its one hour hunt must see a coon with out 2 faults. how many times are there no Positive points on a cast of 4 dogs in a 2 hr hunt? One hour goes by fast and this time of year if you treed a den and a leafy tree you might be out of time and seen no coon. I had a buddy drive an hour one night got to HTX and it started pouring rain, since he drove that far tried his luck after one trail the dog lost at a flooded creek and a den tree he failed. I believe it takes a good dog and luck of a decent night.

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I personally like the HTX hunts. I have only been in one and I did pass that one. I am just waiting for more in the area. There are alot of variables in it though. The biggest thing with the HTX there are no circle points. You either see the coon or you do not. So if it is a leafy tree or a den tree it is a fail and you go on.
If I am not mistaken any club can offer them. From what I seen the club members do not care for them so the club does not have them. If you have some clubs close together you have to coordinate so that one club does not have something going on to take attendence away from the other. I did see on club that offered both a nite hunt and an HTX the same night. Heard of guys coming back in from a nite hunt and then taking off on an HTX hunt. There is alot of flexibility with them if you can get the clubs on board.

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I think the htx is an important title. I don't comp hunt or breed. I also can't keep more than one dog. So knowing that a dog can do it all, alone, is important to me. Id buy a pup that had htx titled on all his ancestors before an all night champ. And i could care less about show titles. But i like watching the show and hunts. I just dont participate. I do my coon hunting with just me and the dog. We have fun and thats all that matters. If its fun for you or will bring more $ for pups to do htx or show or whatever than do it. My dog has no official title. Im fine with that. She isnt the best dog. But i can only have one dog, so she is my best dog. Im happy if she chases or bays anything but deer and skunks. Lol people think i should be mad if my dog trees a possom. Im happy. We went out, she did what she could, found a possom, treed em, stayed till i got there, finished it if need be and started looking for the next critter. Thats a good time for me and i enjoy it. It makes me smile thats all that matters. So if the htx hunt makes you smile have at it. I do think the htx is good for the young dogs that are treeing good but to young for comp hunts. Pups get crazy sometimes and have no manners. They jump around the tree all crazy landing on dogs till one has enough and teaches him a lesson. And if a coondog cant hunt alone then its useless. If your dog cant trail and pick up its losses and figure it out on his own then the htx will be a hard title. To a true get it done alone type hound, the htx should just a few quick hunts.

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The dog can have 2 faults but 3 is the breaker.

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The biggest thing with the HTX there are no circle points. You either see the coon or you do not. So if it is a leafy tree or a den tree it is a fail and you go on.

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You either see the coon or you do not. So if it is a leafy tree or a den tree it is a fail and you go on.

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The biggest thing for the HTX Hunts to become successful is for the non competition minded hunters to become club members at a local club and participate. If only a small percentage of a club's present membership is interested in holding and participating in HTX Hunts, they are going to loose interest in them quickly if they can't hunt their own dogs because they are inspecting other people's dogs, spending their gas money to take people to the woods that have several dogs or spectators, giving up their time and sleep, etc. However, if a club can get several people exchanging their time and enjoy watching other people's dogs work, the HTX Hunts are a very enjoyable activity for a club to have. In my opinion the HTX Hunts should be a reason for some of the past or present strictly pleasure hunters to rejoin and get active again in a local coon club.

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The biggest thing for the HTX Hunts to become successful is for the non competition minded hunters to become club members at a local club and participate. If only a small percentage of a club's present membership is interested in holding and participating in HTX Hunts, they are going to loose interest in them quickly if they can't hunt their own dogs because they are inspecting other people's dogs, spending their gas money to take people to the woods that have several dogs or spectators, giving up their time and sleep, etc. However, if a club can get several people exchanging their time and enjoy watching other people's dogs work, the HTX Hunts are a very enjoyable activity for a club to have. In my opinion the HTX Hunts should be a reason for some of the past or present strictly pleasure hunters to rejoin and get active again in a local coon club.

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If all dogs were required to have a HTX before any other title,most not all would never make it. I've been on several HTX hunts & have passed & failed,my killer is den & summer leafy trees,but will hunt more when leaves are off,I'd like to see UKC change the den tree rule so to speak,when you know without a doubt it's a den,other than that best thing to come along since the shirt pocket. I've had inspectors say it's a den for sure but no coon seen so I can't give you a pass,I know that's the way it is.

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If all dogs were required to have a HTX before any other title,most not all would never make it. I've been on several HTX hunts & have passed & failed,my killer is den & summer leafy trees,but will hunt more when leaves are off,I'd like to see UKC change the den tree rule so to speak,when you know without a doubt it's a den,other than that best thing to come along since the shirt pocket. I've had inspectors say it's a den for sure but no coon seen so I can't give you a pass,I know that's the way it is.

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If the tree has a hole big enough to shove a basketball in it,is there any doubt it's a den? That's a big difference between a hole & leafy tree,don't want a change on leaves just holes,most likely won't get changed but just puttin' in my 2 cents worth.

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If the tree has a hole big enough to shove a basketball in it,is there any doubt it's a den? That's a big difference between a hole & leafy tree,don't want a change on leaves just holes,most likely won't get changed but just puttin' in my 2 cents worth.

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If the tree has a hole big enough to shove a basketball in it,is there any doubt it's a den? That's a big difference between a hole & leafy tree,don't want a change on leaves just holes,most likely won't get changed but just puttin' in my 2 cents worth.

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If the tree has a hole big enough to shove a basketball in it,is there any doubt it's a den? That's a big difference between a hole & leafy tree,don't want a change on leaves just holes,most likely won't get changed but just puttin' in my 2 cents worth.

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Don't need no change.
Either you have a coon or you don't.
No grey area , no questions.
Simple.

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Location: USUALLY IN THE WOODS, BOYD CO. KY.
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i wonder just what the percentage of dogs enterer, pass HTX.I agree with Mr. Jenks ,if dogs had to pass HTX to be titled you would have a lot less GR.NT & NT. CH. dogs out there, but i think the caliber of dogs that do make titles would be much better.

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If most of today’s clubs did have a good turnout for a HTX they would not be able to put it on. Think about it, if you have 20 dogs show up you will need 20 different spots to hunt. That’s 6 groups of 3 plus a group of 2 or 10 groups of 2. That’s at least 7 guides with 3 places to hunt or 10 guides with 2 places to hunt. Then they have to all be broken up so that no one is buddies. That’s all just about impossible for most clubs. Require the HTX title before you can get a hunt title and you will kill them both. Besides the fact that the groups with three dogs don’t get back till 3 or later in the morning. I have done it on them more than once.

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From what i see and hear nite hunts are for comp. dogs,Htx hunts are for coondogs JMO

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From what i see and hear nite hunts are for comp. dogs,Htx hunts are for coondogs JMO

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Maybe using the word fail the way I did was incorrect however what if you tree three den or leafy trees and do not actually see a coon then you still can not pass the HTX test. I did not say it was a fault on the dog.
I just made my second pass and can not wait until another hunt.

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