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I have always heard not to breed a dog her first heat cycle, what is the reason behind this? I was asked by a guy why not breed the first heat, and I gave him a answer, it was I dont know why but will find out, so lets hear it. thanks!

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Too young in my opinion

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Because MOST of the time, not all but most, they are not fully matured, mentally or physically, and because of that you cant really be sure if they will be a solid coondog once fully matured

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If the dog is not mature , she wouldn't be in heat ... Mother Nature cares not for man's theories .

It is rare that a dog will be a coondog with a couple hard seasons under her belt before her first heat ... but if the gyp is one of those rare talents and you know in your gut she's the dog you have been waiting for ... then there's nothing wrong with breeding her.

You are better off to listen to your dog and what she is telling you than to listen to what someone thinks is the truth ... dogs didn't invent lying , man did ...

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If the dog is not mature , she wouldn't be in heat ... Mother Nature cares not for man's theories .

It is rare that a dog will be a coondog with a couple hard seasons under her belt before her first heat ... but if the gyp is one of those rare talents and you know in your gut she's the dog you have been waiting for ... then there's nothing wrong with breeding her.

You are better off to listen to your dog and what she is telling you than to listen to what someone thinks is the truth ... dogs didn't invent lying , man did ...

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If the dog is special ... you will know .. if not , you never will .

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Puppies having puppies....can't be a good thing. When a bitch has a litter it can be hard on their body, even harder if the pup is still growing themselves. Why rush? Wait until they are 2 years, healthier for the dam and pups.

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If the dog is not mature , she wouldn't be in heat ... Mother Nature cares not for man's theories . ...

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Thanks for all the replys, I am going to have him read them, alot better than my reply was to him, I just said she was to young but had no reason to back it up, all your replys were thought out, thanks again

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I have never heard of wild animals skipping their first heats nor have I ever seen a dog that cycled right have trouble whelping in a way that could be blamed on their age .... young mothers have the healthiest babies and recouperate faster.


I don't breed on the first heat , but that doesn't mean I am gonna exxagerate or dissuade someone else who chooses to .... it's just a hobby and we can all do what we want to do .

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I have never heard of wild animals skipping their first heats nor have I ever seen a dog that cycled right have trouble whelping in a way that could be blamed on their age .... young mothers have the healthiest babies and recouperate faster.


I don't breed on the first heat , but that doesn't mean I am gonna exxagerate or dissuade someone else who chooses to .... it's just a hobby and we can all do what we want to do .

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When you want others to agree with your " why " ... it helps if you understand it yourself and it's the truth.

When you start exaggerating and straying from the truth to promote your ideas then nobody benefits.

I will say that in all performance animals ... getting past the sophmore slump and across the finish line weeds out alot of young superstars that were thought to be breeding quality ... I dont even breed pullets ... seen em' change too much their first moult and settle into a hen that I didn't like .

It's up to each of us to blend our experiences , our gut feeling and with the due diligence and go with that ... if someone has done that ... then whatever they decide to do will be the right thing for them ....even if it's not what I would do .

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Wild animals typically have a cycle once a year, and life expectancy of 1/4 to 1/2 the life span of domestic animals. And I have seen problems with young dogs being bred too early, and every heat cycle, but 17 years in the veterinary field will show you things most people won't see.

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