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I know one of the other KC's closes second tree 30 seconds after first dog trees, then third closes 30 seconds after that.

Who likes it and who dont

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I like, always have and don't expect to ever see it in UKC.

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I don't like it. In my opinion, 30 seconds is NOT long enough for a (REAL COONDOG) to fully check out, every tree that is made in the course of the night. Some trees can be checked for accurace/honesty within 30 seconds, but on some of those older cold feeding tracks where dogs are bumping around, struggling to find the right tree, a rule such as this will require the handler to pitch his dog on a tree before the dog has had ample time to fully check out the situation, or breed for more of a cover dog. Now I know some are gonna say a real coondog will never be at that tree, but I wont call them a real condog unless they will cover as well as split.

I think bringing the inclusion of this rule would create even more of a "me too" type dog. As they better not take the time to check the tree out or they will loose tree points. They would have to cover immediately or not be there at all.

I would prefer to see a timer rule put on the back end of the 5 minute grace period. I would like to see any/all dogs that cover after 4 minutes only receive 25 tree points. 3 minutes and 59 seconds is long enough (in my opinion) for dogs to cover and receive some sort of extra credit, But I don't like seeing dogs get extra credit after 4 minutes. again only my opinion, and I'm dumber than a rock!!

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Ukc already gives extra points for first tree. You don't really need more, you just want more. We also have two hour hunts which give you time to make multible trees unlike a one hour hunt.

My opinion is count down tree points cause dogs to be bred to tree quick, no checking for accuraticy, leading to slick treeing.

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Your first paragraph is all out pleasure hunter thinking and that ifs just fine for pleasure hunting. But nite hunts are competive events and dogs are suppose too be rewarded for speed and quickness. If that speed and quickness results in mistakes, and it often will, then the dog will be penalized and that is the incentive to stay honest. Your idea that it would create more me too dogs is completely refuted by what we see in PKC.

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Everyone alyays remembers that one time a dog covered theirs at 4:50 for 75.

Thats fine, but it dosent happen very often and if it does, you prolly deserved to get beat.

I really dont care much one way or the other, but I do believe it gives a good handler more options, rather than letting the dogs do what they do.

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I like it... The better coondog wins more often, and the coverdogs win less often.

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I don't just like it. I love it Silly not to have it. If these other dogs were running the same Coon. No excuse in them not being there within a min.

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On the other hand, if UKC had a countdown, we would see just as many blueticks in UKC as we see in PKC which is to say we would hardly ever see a bluetick and UKC can't have that.

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makes no difference to me one way or the other, but i kinda feel like the differences are needed to keep the longevity of both KC's in tact. I would hunt either way, and yes, i have been covered many times, and got some "me too" trees also. I could care less one way or the other.

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I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THESE SO CALLED "QUALIFIED" JUDGES THAT THESE CLUBS PUT OUT RUN A COUNTDOWN TIMER ON A WATCH! Lol

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If your in favor of the best dog winning leave it the way it is.

If you want the handler to have even more influence on the outcome......Countdown.

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I don't like it. In my opinion, 30 seconds is NOT long enough for a (REAL COONDOG) to fully check out, every tree that is made in the course of the night. Some trees can be checked for accurace/honesty within 30 seconds, but on some of those older cold feeding tracks where dogs are bumping around, struggling to find the right tree, a rule such as this will require the handler to pitch his dog on a tree before the dog has had ample time to fully check out the situation, or breed for more of a cover dog. Now I know some are gonna say a real coondog will never be at that tree, but I wont call them a real condog unless they will cover as well as split.

I think bringing the inclusion of this rule would create even more of a "me too" type dog. As they better not take the time to check the tree out or they will loose tree points. They would have to cover immediately or not be there at all.

I would prefer to see a timer rule put on the back end of the 5 minute grace period. I would like to see any/all dogs that cover after 4 minutes only receive 25 tree points. 3 minutes and 59 seconds is long enough (in my opinion) for dogs to cover and receive some sort of extra credit, But I don't like seeing dogs get extra credit after 4 minutes. again only my opinion, and I'm dumber than a rock!!

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I actually think the tree should be close out after 1 minute, I feel if a dog can not make it to a tree in one minute that they are just covering and I do not think they helped out to much if any at all running the track.

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I actually think the tree should be close out after 1 minute, I feel if a dog can not make it to a tree in one minute that they are just covering and I do not think they helped out to much if any at all running the track.

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I really like the three minute time the new KC on the block is using. seems to be a happy medium

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Ukc already gives extra points for first tree. You don't really need more, you just want more. We also have two hour hunts which give you time to make multible trees unlike a one hour hunt.

My opinion is count down tree points cause dogs to be bred to tree quick, no checking for accuraticy, leading to slick treeing.

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So let em tree a good dog will be under a coon no matter the rest do

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I LIKE IT

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plus points win any kc put in the count down

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4 minute grace period "for a dog to fully check a tree"? Hahahahahahah. And how exactly does a countdown lead to slick treeing? It's becoming more and more obvious by the day that there are alot of people that have a wholllllle different idea of what a Coondog is. If Dog A gets treed and it takes Dog B 4 minutes to get there because it was horribly slow on lining out the track or it uses its "sufficient time to properly check a tree" (lmao), does anyone honestly think they should recieve 75 points?

I would venture to say that the same guys who say covering that late it Ok is the same guys that listen to a dog waller out a track for an hour and say "man, that's a bad track!" Sorry, you're dog is just an idiot. There's a big difference between a dog that can smell an old track, a dog who can finish an old track, and a dog who can finish an old track but has enough brains to know when enough is enough and to go find one that's manageable.

Theres a few reasons that the level of dogs you draw on a nightly basis in the other KC is light years ahead of This one and making excuses for a half junk dog is behind most of it.

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it your gonna have a countdown on a tree just have first tree 100 and everything else 25.... do the same with the tracks.... me personally im not for it.... i think the 50 points between first and second tree should be able to make up the difference in a sorry strike dog.... if your not getting your fair share of first trees you need something else to hunt to win anyway.... if your getting beat often by a me too dog you have even more problems

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You have got to be kidding me that you are saying there are more slick treers in PKC than UKC. Both KC's have them and if I'm not mistaken you get minused in both for slick trees. I like it becuase he can check all he wants but he shouldn't be backin after 30 seconds

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This thread shows how many people dont hunt pkc.wow

Slick treeing idiots?why not go to pkc and take the money home since yalls dont slick tree?

125 tree with countdown would b the best

Didnt this year ukc finals had to go into.overtime to get plus points?

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Lmao!!!!!!!!!! I can always find a laugh over here , countdown causes slick treeing lmao!!!!!!! Oh my side is hurting!!!!!

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