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anyone have, ever have, or hunt behind a dog that truly tree "lay up coon"?? meaning a coon that been up a while or never came down but was out on a limb and the dog winds it and trees it???



i dont think ive EVER seen it done until recently...

we started my buddies pup a few months ago..hes coming on nice...twice now he has been dead quiet..not running track or anything...then will throw weird barks..sounds like his "guard dog" barks...not track barks..not locators..not tree barks...then eventually he will start treeing...

both times were the same...and both times the coon was a tree or 2 away......i never did take notice of wind direction or anything at the time..


but, does that sound like he laid up those coon???

how do you get a dog to accurately tree a lay up??? at a hunt, we would been minused..no question about it....will accuracy come with time?? or are they likely to miss due to wind currents etc???


thanx....like i said, ive never seen it...and i kinda think thats what he is doing....trackman bred and ive heard trackman is known to pass the lay up ability on...

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Some folks get layups and being silent or no track confused. Actually most do. When you see a dog tree one that other dogs are running around wondering what's going on cause they smell nothing. You've got a layup dog. Don't see many but they are out there.

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I have a male that trees a good many layups but I dont like his hunting style because if he dont smell a coon with in 20min or so he just starts smelling up every tree in the woods..

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i can understand that....


this dog runs with a pretty open mouth...real open on a hot track...less mouthy on older colder tracks...


never heard those odd barks he threw on both those trees...



he is only 10 months old...time will tell...


i got one out of the same litter...only started him a month ago...he hasnt done that yet...but he is running tracks silent and hitting a tree and having the coon up it...im workin with him hard now that the weather is getting nicer...he acts different than his brother...his brother has a few months head start in the woods.....and his brother was started with their mother..and it kinda shows..he hunts and acts like her....im being "stubborn" and hunting mine alone...


love workin younguns and watching them develop...and nice having 2 showing big potential...easy starters and seems to come real natural to them...my pup treed his first on "accident" i showed him a caged coon and let him tree it...then took him for a walk the next night..just to take him for a walk...i got lucky and caught 2 boars fighting....the dog knew the sound already...he came unglued and went and treed one of them...i couldnt believe it...but should have known it was possible..he already knew what a coon was and what he was supposed to do...

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I've got a 2 yo male Trackman bred on top, he tries but he's not real good at it, not sure if he'll get better with time or not, same type of mout as yours, fairly open on the ground but definitely different on layups.

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a lay up dog does NOT check trees!!!

layup dog; can 'wind' the coon with his head off the ground.the scent is in the air not on the tree!!

'tree checker'; is not a lay up dog.to me a tree checker is a lazy hound that doesn't want to go deep or work hard to find a track.so they check trees hoping to get lucky.50% accurate,even worse when bores are rutting.
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layup dog; can 'wind' the coon with his head off the ground.the scent is in the air not on the tree!!

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a lay up dog does NOT check trees!!!

layup dog; can 'wind' the coon with his head off the ground.the scent is in the air not on the tree!!

'tree checker'; is not a lay up dog.to me a tree checker is a lazy hound that doesn't want to go deep or work hard to find a track.so they check trees hoping to get lucky.50% accurate,even worse when bores are rutting.
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i have one that can and does tree lay ups. Yes the other hounds, when he is hunted with such, seem to have a you need to take a switch to that nut look, but then not all dogs have the ability to work lay ups.

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Think about this for a second. That coon came down sometime, question is, when? And nobody will ever know when the track was laid unless you actually seen what time the coon came down and prowled around. Lay ups ya say? Some coon pop right up the first tree when a dog comes on em. How many will mistake that for a lay up?

How many will mistake a cold track that other hounds can't smell as treeing a lay up? Lay ups ya say?

I have seen my mouse female just fall treed many times with no track bark and she is a nice open track dog. Lay ups ya say?

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I had a lil walker female in the early 90's. could burn a hot track up.....work a cold track and tree it....but at least one tree most nites and during hot weather she would just fall treed,,,,,long high pitched yodel and break it over..very very accurate...i dont know how many time we'd be walking out of the woods she just fall treed on the lead... she went back to spring creek rock,,mohawgany mogul...she passed that layup trait onto several of her pups,,,,,

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1st dog i ever owned was a bluetic, double Levi bred on top, out of a solid northern female. I hunted the legs off him day and night. He would tree coon after coon all day long, in the middle of the day year round. I was just a young kid with no hunting experiance and even though i was happy with him I just assumed thats the way all coondogs were. Boy was I wrong, that was 15 years ago and i been looking for one with that kind of layup ability ever since. Been with a few that can do it sum, but not like him.

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I had a female that was lone pine bred she would and did many, many times stand on her back legs on the lead turn her lose and bam treed with a coon . Sometimes she would miss by a tree or too but she was a true lay up dog . Wish i had another just like her .

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I have a young male dog that trees layup coon. When he started he could be a tree or two off down wind, and now he has gotten good about checking himself and having the right tree. I agree with what a lot of folks say about tree checking, that is not treeing a layup. At a young age walking out of the woods mine would stand on his hind legs freaking on the leash, and if I turned him loose he would run straight at a tree, and tree the coon. Winding the coon's body scent out of the air is how a layup starts. The last week of kill season he had a coon located from over 60 yards away, but couldn't get past the 6' woven wire. A little help past that fence and it was a straight line to the tree. There are nights when a good layup dog is nice to have, but I like a dog that can run cold tracks. I'm green, but what I've noticed is a dog that can tree layups consistent, and accurate can also lift their nose off the ground and move a track out pretty well also. I can tell with his first bark now how he is going to get it done. He opens 30-60 yards off the tree with a high squally bawl chop on a layup, maybe does that twice, then locates and hammers.

Was is Wick that said the nights the smoke rolls straight down off your roof are nights you'll tree a lot of coon?

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the best lay up dog ive ever seen/ had was a male directly off of stylish coma he could tree coons literaly all day and night that way.

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100% agree.. I DID say he treed a good may layups. I NEVER said he was a layup dog.. He came from MO. Most hounds that come from up north dont make it here in my swamps.. Espesially in the summer when its 95 degrees with 98% humidity they tend to overheat and get real lazy.. Im sure most dogs from here dont make it up north.. Apples to oranges comparison depending on coon population..

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I have a skipper bread mail, & have watched him in the moon light stick his head in the air & make a hard turn run 100 yd across a pasture throw a couple locates before he gets to the tree & start treeing with his head held up high the hole time & usually treeing standing on his hind feet right under the coon. to me this is treeing layups

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Have seen dogs do similiar things too John. Ever seen one run on its hind legs with its nose straight up in the air? Pretty commical!
Used to hunt with a guy that had a male TW that would blow up in the box driving down the road. If you stopped and turned him loose he would almost always end up with a coon. Sometimes he'd open on track, sometimes just get treed.

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last two my dog has treed have been lay ups.

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Seems like it is about whatever terminology we use. Here's my lingo.

1) following a track to a tree! Is treeing a coon
2) Pop up
3) lay up
4) winding one



2)a pop up sounds like it could be a silent dog doing it because you don't even get a short race out of it because it was at the tree it was going to climb when the dog was about to stumble over it. The give away to me is it's hot and he'll pound the tree about like he saw it climb. He's Not silent because you know the dog and if you have several dogs out everyone of them will be pounding the tree.

3) a lay up is a cold track. It could be like in the fall when acorns are being cut and there is a stumphole full of water under the limbs.The coon doesn't need to go anywhere just feeds , drinks and goes uo with a full belly. If it have not been down for a number of hours the gound smell is so weak that maybe the other dogs can't even smell anything But the lay up dog will be standing on the side of the tree treeing and showing you the tree he smells it on Probably not treeing as sure enough excited as he normally does either. It could be done by a tree sniffer but better not to be because a tree sniffer does not know if the track was going up to nap or coming down and gone feeding or rambling in the case of a boar so they are not accurate at all. You know you have a tree sniffer because they do it all the time night after night.

4) When a dog "winds one" you have just about got to be there it see what's going on. Purely winding a coon the dog might be walking around on his hind legs or standing on this tree and moving to a sappling or standing up on a stump or what ever. Probably treeing back over his shoulder at times. Probably not showing you by standing on the right one unless he is lucky enough to have the breeze just right. Probably treeing hard for a while and skips for awhile if you are listening or walking into the tree. I find most of the coons a couple of trees over and I about got to get down and be watching where the dog is looking and barking to do that. Sometimes there is enough old scent on the side of the tree that the dog will settle on the right tree. But maybe not because the live scent in the breeze might only be 10 seconds old. It might be strong or it might be real dispersed depending on the breeze but it will be hot. Alot of dogs just ignore it though. It would probably drive a comp hunter crazy but it doesn't bother me a bit. It is another coon in the sack to me. Like another fellow mentioned a layup starts with winding and probably more so than not. True if he puts one tree on it and you weren't standing there to see how he did it you would not know. I don't have dogs capable of winding one if he is up in a den.It never happens anyway. Usually have the coon just might be a tree or two over.

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Some folks get layups and being silent or no track confused. Actually most do. When you see a dog tree one that other dogs are running around wondering what's going on cause they smell nothing. You've got a layup dog. Don't see many but they are out there.

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Some folks get layups and being silent or no track confused. Actually most do. When you see a dog tree one that other dogs are running around wondering what's going on cause they smell nothing. You've got a layup dog. Don't see many but they are out there.

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Think about this for a second. That coon came down sometime, question is, when? And nobody will ever know when the track was laid unless you actually seen what time the coon came down and prowled around. Lay ups ya say? Some coon pop right up the first tree when a dog comes on em. How many will mistake that for a lay up?

How many will mistake a cold track that other hounds can't smell as treeing a lay up? Lay ups ya say?

I have seen my mouse female just fall treed many times with no track bark and she is a nice open track dog. Lay ups ya say?

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The only true layup dog I ever saw was a great "winder" meaning if by chance you were in just the right spot you would see him nose up and even hind leg standing too catch the coon scent, Once in a great while when the leaves were off and it was frosty he would miss and tree a turkey moving around up there.

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Got a old female here thats a true layup artist. Trees coons other dogs dont have a clue is there. Just kind of goes in there throws a weird growl like locate and BANG. Usually a coon balled up on the end of a limb. My male dog can tree layups by winding them but usually find em a tree over.

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