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AFTER THE WAY AUTUMN OAKS AND THE WORLD HUNT PLAYED OUT WHY NOT LOOK INTO SOME CHANGES TO THE RULES FOR THE FINAL 4 .....ONE WAS WON BY GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CAST AND WE ALL KNOW HOW THE WORLD HUNT PLAYED OUT...WHY NOT JUST CALL IT WHAT IT IS AFTER THE 2 HRS IN THE FINAL 4 PLUS,MINUS OR CIRCLE ITS OBVIOUS THAT ALL FOUR ARE COONDOGS AND CONSISTANT WINNERS OUR THEY WOULD NOT HAVE MADE IT THAT FAR.....JUST A THOUGHT.....THIS YEAR SURE HAS BEEN ONE FOR THE BOOKS....

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Agree 100%

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I agree Chuck. The only minor change I would make to that request would be to make the final 4 cast a three hour hunt.
Then crown the winner based on the final scores after 3 hours of hunting, with no need for plus points to determine the winner.

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isnt there years with no world ch winners? if no score after 2 hr just choke it up to better luck next yr

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hold the hunt where there are coon!! won't be no need for a 3 hr hunt.
also hold it in central usa...like maybe southern indiana, illinois or iowa?make it fair in travel for all.
alot more chance for split trees,make dog take pressure,see coon,cooler temps,and less b.s. to deal with.

be extra nice in fall with no leaves.eliminate the hounds/handlers that "live" on circle instead of minus.
slick tree'n hounds won't advance.

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Originally posted by prostockpat
hold the hunt where there are coon!! won't be no need for a 3 hr hunt.
also hold it in central usa...like maybe southern indiana, illinois or iowa?make it fair in travel for all.
alot more chance for split trees,make dog take pressure,see coon,cooler temps,and less b.s. to deal with.

be extra nice in fall with no leaves.eliminate the hounds/handlers that "live" on circle instead of minus.
slick tree'n hounds won't advance.

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There needs to be change because the best dog didn win the world and that's how its meant to go this whole final bad one dog takes no minus and trees a coon after time expires but why no make it an even ball game ukc rules suck

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And if they do score more than 700 plus in the midwest it's cheating, easy bucket feeders and all kinds of other sh@% lol people on here are never happy.

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I guess IMO opinion though since it's the world hunt if the champ gets an extra chance to score plus so should every dead cast from the start. People spent time and money in a crappy economy to go play, either no winner after 2 hrs or let everyone have a chance at plus points. JMO

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NO PLUS POINTS, NO WINNER !!!!!!!! Why have a tainted World Champion winner ?????? Minus points should never advance !!!!

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I personally believe that after 2 hours, the scores are what they are - no different than any of the other UKC Hunts they hold.........results after 2 hours is what you get.

If that means not crowning a World Champ or AO winner (reverting scorecards), so be it.

If you only have 2 hours to get that NITECH win or to add GRNITE win you need, you should have only those 2 hours to get that World Champ win.

Heck, to get the WORLD HUNT Final Cast, you had only 2 hours to hunt to get it done (RQE, ZONES, 1st Round) and then the 2 hour in second round, then 1 Cast of 2 hours to get into FINAL CAST (last dog).

Why should the WORLD HUNT FINAL CAST be any different?

JMO

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Buckshot I agree with the 2 hr cast, but since we now have added OT and a hunt of this magnitude, I feel every dog there should either hunt 2 hrs or be given OT to produce a score.

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I am for 2 Hours and that is it - No OT.

There was no OT to get there, so shouldn't be any at the end.

If I was for OT, which I am not, then I think that any hounds with minus after the end of the 2 hours should not advance to OT.

Again, JMO

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Im surprised how many have a problem with hunting on until there is a clear winner with plus points, seems the fairest way to me. UKC. has always reguired a dog to have plus points to win and most would agree thats what sets UKC. above the rest.
No dog advanced with minus or circle, they just hunted until 1 dog completed the overtime period with a plus point score. Those 4 dogs got there by winning with plus and the champ was crown by winning with plus, whats the problem?

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[There needs to be change because the best dog didn win the world and that's how its meant to go this whole final bad one dog takes no minus and trees a coon after time expires but why no make it an even ball game ukc rules suck [/QUOTE]

So tell us what dog was the best dog in your mind? A dog came in with 25+ points after 3hrs. NO OTHER DOG CAME IN WITH PLUS POINTS. 2 trees were circled in the final hour did they have a coon I don't know and neither do you. I've been in many casts where a coon wasn't seen and tree circled. If tree would have been plussed the dog would have won. Hunting in all forms is dependent somewhat on luck beside skill or any thing else. Maybe we shouldn't put dogs in the woods just have a vote and the dog with the most votes is the WORLD CHAMPION.

I guess what I'm saying FRISKY won is the world UKC champion under the rules in place this this year. Get over it, everone.

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I can tell you haven't hunted n. Louisiana much....a coon dog trees Coon in any state...I think they should have it next year in Montana then a lot of y'all can cry some more. And there are circle trees in every state too!!! I agree with Coomer

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Buckshot
[B]I am for 2 Hours and that is it - No OT.

There was no OT to get there, so shouldn't be any at the end.

Agree 110%. It's happened before. 2 Hrs to find a coon on the outside looking down. The only change needed is the time of year to hold it. Don't care where as long as your able to see the whole tree. Plus it, Minus it Or legit circle. If they can't get one treed in 2 hrs no champion why should it be any different from the year they didn't have one.

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I guess so their wasnt any other dog that had more + points. Each hound in the cast had 3 hours of hunting time.
So congrats

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Your good dogs are gonna win with the leaves on or off. Dont matter when its held.

I'd hate to enter a hunt knowing that I need the leaves off to have a better chance at winning.

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After reading the play by play am I correct in reading that the first drop was at almost 2 am??

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I hate to enter a hunt knowing i have to have the leaves on to have a better chance at winning. LOL.

I believe the point that a lot people are trying to make is there's not going to be it could be it might be there but can't tell cause of the leaves.

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I'm not even going to read all of the posts here...do you REALLY think that no leaves = no circle?? Haven't you ever heard of a hollow tree??

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I personally believe that after 2 hours, the scores are what they are - no different than any of the other UKC Hunts they hold.........results after 2 hours is what you get.

If that means not crowning a World Champ or AO winner (reverting scorecards), so be it.

If you only have 2 hours to get that NITECH win or to add GRNITE win you need, you should have only those 2 hours to get that World Champ win.

Heck, to get the WORLD HUNT Final Cast, you had only 2 hours to hunt to get it done (RQE, ZONES, 1st Round) and then the 2 hour in second round, then 1 Cast of 2 hours to get into FINAL CAST (last dog).

Why should the WORLD HUNT FINAL CAST be any different?

JMO

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Originally posted by smokin-1-mo
I AGREE MY POINT EXACTLY,THERE IS NO SHAME IN THAT....YOU COULD HAVE THE BEST DOG IN THE COUNTRY BUT THERE NOT GOING TO SHINE EVERY NIGHT THERE IS NO SHAME IN WINNING THE FINAL 4 WITH CIRCLE OR MINUS IT IS WHAT IT IS THAT NIGHT......

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I'm not sure I see where all of the "drama" is coming from.

In NASCAR, they have the "Green-White-Checker" finish, in the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, and basketball, football, Hockey, Soccer, and baseball teams right down to the little league world series they play "extra innings", overtime, extra periods...whatever.

Jeeze, are we coonhunters really so narrow minded that we can't open ourselves up to the fact that we had an overtime?

They didn't just up and decide to hunt an overtime hour, the rule wasn't changed "on the spot"....it has been that way for a number of years, or don't we read the rule book? The best I can tell, the overtime period has been used before without all of the uproar, and while I truly hope that it never has to be used again....it is what it is...

Congrats to the winner!

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