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http://www.dognews.com/mcgowan.html

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I read the first two paragraphs. Toooooooooooooo many words and not near enough pictures for me.

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Very good reading Thanks Erick

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About time someone from AKC got some balls

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Anyone that feels this issue is just UKC against AKC because of a coonhound program needs to go to the link Erick provided and then go to all of the links off of that page. Not one mention of coonhounds or UKC just tons of reasons not to support PAWS from several different groups.

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dealing with AKc a WHOLE lot .....This registary is the oldest in the nation. It was set up as a record keeper for HUNTING studs and their litters. There is a HUGE # of ppl going to other registries because of the fact that AKC has lost touch with ppl and seem only concerned about their fees.They are slowly killing themselves IMO and this is just one more nail in the coffin.

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I found this link on a mostly AKC show site and they are as mad as we are.

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On the other extreme, some of the newer activists urge a boycott of AKC. They have nothing to lose after all-they aren't AKC breeders or supporters anyway. Disagree with them and they shoot first and ask questions later. They know more than everyone about everything. They are out there on the newly formed Yahoo groups. They haven't yet figured out that if you're nasty no one is going to listen to you. These are the extremes.


Sound familiar to anyone?

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"To publicly oppose AKC's position on PAWS on this issue is painful. But to sit in silence would be a dereliction of duty..."

NOT sound familiar to anyone?

Out of all that Joe, is that all you can come up with? How some of the opponents to PAWS conduct themselves?

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Hold the phone.

I would like to ask, beg, plead, and urge evey one of us to "take a step back" at this point.

The PAWS proposal is real, it's not going to go away. I have my own opinion of the ammendment, it's impact to our way of raising, owning, breeding, and training our hounds. To tell you the truth, at this point my opinion does not matter.

What really matters is this. At the end of the day we are all coon hunters. We all have jobs and families, and the one thing that we all have in common is our love of hounds and hunting with our dogs.

What we are doing now is causing a huge division amongst our own kind. When the PAWS legislation is passed, or defeated, or altered, or never makes it out of committee....we are left with WHAT? I am most concerned with the fact that the only thing that I think we can all agree on 100% is that the fight over this legislation is certainly causing a break down in our solidarity. Let's face it folks, there are way more animal rights groups out there today that would like to see our right to own hounds, and follow them into the night. Most certainly at some point in the future our right to enjoy our sport is going to come under fire, and if we are all setting in different camps, aligned with different kennel clubs that can't seem to agree on anything because they are in direct competition with each other, where will that leave us?

I for one hold no animosity for anyone based upon thier beliefs about this legislative proposal. My question here is why have we allowed this to become "personal"? Have we lost the focus here? If you are opposed to the legislation, attacking people who see things differently than you do will do nothing other than tear us apart, leaving us vunerable to those that would strip us of our rights.

The "who said what" stuff is getting old, and reminds me of a fourth grade recess conversation.

I ask you to examine your thoughts and ask yourself the question...what is it I am fighting against? Am I really doing anything to ensrue that the legislation is defeated, or am I simply beating down those that have a different view than I do? Will the words or accusations that I type on a message board, or send in the mail, or convey to fellow hunters have a detrimental effect to our sport down stream? Am I driving a wedge between myself and someone that may be called on to support my sport and my rights to enjoy hounds and hunting with hounds in the future? Am I opposing a piece of legislation, or am I opposing an organization or individual? Remember, there are lots of folks that read this board and monitor it every day......

Folks like it or not...even if this legislation is defeated by our efforts, we are losing the over all battle. One of the most basic warfare strategies is "divide and conquor"........


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Joe, I've read enough of your posts to form a pretty good opinion about you. I respect your opinion. I in no way think any different because you support PAWS. I'm sure you have your reasons, they are good, and they are right in your mind. I'm not so presumptuous to say anything different, or that I'm right and you're wrong. I do think collaborating with the anti's is a step in the wrong direction, and it leads down a slippery slope...

Oh, and I don't think the percentage of "yea's" to "nay's" on this issue exactly constitutes a "division"...

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Darrell,

Thank you.

I typed that post four times, and it never did come out to say exactly all I am feeling.

Passion is a wonderful thing, if channeled correctly. Regardless of which side of the passion you stand on, when it is all said and done we have to be able to go to the woods with each other and enjoy each other's company.

We also need to rely on each other for support. You can't put toothpaste back in the tube.....I just urge each of us to be sure that what we say today as a result of our passionate beliefs either for or against this proposed ammendment will not come back to haunt us.

For the record, I don't necessarily support the PAWS legislation. I have not been on record as having supported it, as a matter of fact I do not support it. However, I made up my own mind, based upon my own research. I read everything that I could get my hands on, that was credible, and is verifiable.

I don't have the "sky is falling" mentality. I know from my own research that if PAWS is put into place, it is not going to change the way most of us raise and breed coon hounds, or hunting dogs of any kind.....simple as that. I used to milk cows, and had a USDA inspector show up frequently without issues, I have seen meat inspected by USDA again, not issues.

I have nothing to hide in my kennel, and am not opposed to anyone stopping by and checking it out. I don't wholesale dogs, I keep records already. I am not liberal or conservative at least not to the far left or right. I am a moderate that has accepted the fact that the US Government will NOT extract itself from my business in my life time. I am going to be taxed and regulated. I can fight it, but that does not change the fact.....so why not learn to find a way to live with it and be happy!

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quote:

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
You can't put toothpaste back in the tube...

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Or rollerskate in a Buffalo herd, or take a shower in a parakeet cage...

But you can get a straw out of a bottle without touching it...

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