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2-3-4 dog cast,don't matter.
Dog(s) get struck xcept 1 dog.
Dog(s) struck catch coon on ground.
Handler of dog not struck prior to coon being caught strikes his dog while coon is being dispatched by other dog(s).
Now...... does the shutout on strike dog get + strike Pts.?
No handler treed their dog .....
Should they have?
In order to make it a complete shutout , coon was audibly caught.

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Any dog that was part of the coon catching if handled by the coon will get plus strike points so long as it was struck in before arriving at the caught coon.

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3(d) Dog(s) that are shut out (not struck before first dog is declared treed)
must still be declared struck. They are eligible for tree points if they are
declared treed within the five minutes. If they are at tree shut out on when
judge arrives, strike points are deleted. For all other situations they are
accountable for their strike points.

There's gotta be at least one dog declared treed before any others can be shut out.

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
2-3-4 dog cast,don't matter.
Dog(s) get struck xcept 1 dog.
Dog(s) struck catch coon on ground.
Handler of dog not struck prior to coon being caught strikes his dog while coon is being dispatched by other dog(s).
Now...... does the shutout on strike dog get + strike Pts.?
No handler treed their dog .....
Should they have?
In order to make it a complete shutout , coon was audibly caught.

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Originally posted by BB&LKennels
AS LONG AS THE DOG'S WASNT TREED AND TREE WAS CLOSED HE SHOULD GET STRIKE POINT'S. IF DOG'S WASN'T TREED WHY WOULD YOU HAVE WENT TO THEM? SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE TREED THERE DOG UNLESS THEY KNEW THERE DOG WOULD CATCH POSSUM ,SKUNK OR OTHER JUNK ON THE GROUND. JMO

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No dog is required to be treed in regardless of what is caught on the ground.

Any time a cast hears dogs with game caught they can go in immediately.

In this case, even if a dog were declared treed the dog would still get his strike points plussed because there was no "tree" for him to be shut out on AND there is no 5 minutes on caught game, even if somebody DOES declare their dogs treed. Caught game is to be investigated immediately regardless of any time/tree or not tree.

In short, you can't "shut someone out" on caught game.

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I KNOW MOST OF THE RULE'S..... ALL I DID WAS REPLY TO THE QUESTION........ SORRY I DID............ WILL LET ALL OF YOU KNOW IT ALL GUY'S REPLY TO ALL THE POSY WITH SOMEONE ASKING QUESTION'S.........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

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I don't think anybody was pickin on anyone or anything.

Heck I myself just plain made a mistake on the card a couple nights ago at Black and Tan days.

The system worked great. I scored it one way, one handler said it should be scored a different way. We discussed it both me and the other handler were convinced we were right that left the other two. It was a 2-2 vote with a question on the card.

We went huntin the rest of the night. No fussin or nothin.

Then at the end of the hunt we were talking about it and dang if it didn't hit me. I saw the logic of their arguement.

I was wrong, completely 100% wrong. If they hadn't questioned it I may never have thought anything else about it. I was sure I was right, but in reality I was just as wrong as wrong could be.

I like to think of myself as a good, fair judge that knows the rules. I wasn't hearin part of their logic and they were right and I was in the wrong.

It didn't matter in the end because it was a dead cast, but the system works if we just use it. Same here. Don't take anything I say personally. I like this board because we can all learn alot from it as long as we use it the right way.

I sure didn't like havin to back up and eat that crow the other night on that cast, but I can tell ya it kinda tastes like chicken LOL.

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Originally posted by Rip
I don't think anybody was pickin on anyone or anything.

Heck I myself just plain made a mistake on the card a couple nights ago at Black and Tan days.

The system worked great. I scored it one way, one handler said it should be scored a different way. We discussed it both me and the other handler were convinced we were right that left the other two. It was a 2-2 vote with a question on the card.

We went huntin the rest of the night. No fussin or nothin.

Then at the end of the hunt we were talking about it and dang if it didn't hit me. I saw the logic of their arguement.

I was wrong, completely 100% wrong. If they hadn't questioned it I may never have thought anything else about it. I was sure I was right, but in reality I was just as wrong as wrong could be.

I like to think of myself as a good, fair judge that knows the rules. I wasn't hearin part of their logic and they were right and I was in the wrong.

It didn't matter in the end because it was a dead cast, but the system works if we just use it. Same here. Don't take anything I say personally. I like this board because we can all learn alot from it as long as we use it the right way.

I sure didn't like havin to back up and eat that crow the other night on that cast, but I can tell ya it kinda tastes like chicken LOL.

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Well I had drawn out several times with pkc hunters over the last two weeks and was always having to explain that we aren't hunting pkc split dogs go back in on strike at next available position not at 25 every time like they always think. Well that came up again.....well not quite. See I quit thinking cause this time we had split the strike. Three dogs scored on the tree and I said next available was 50 cause the dog out was carrying 62.5 that's just plain wrong cause that 62.5 includes part of all four positions. The other handler said no dogs go back in for 25. In my mind im thinking here we go again somebody else that hunts pkc thinks all dogs automatically go in for 25 regardless of what is available.

Honestly if I had thought about it I would have realized it but I went into autopilot and said we weren't hunting pkc and in ukc they go in for next available. That's correct but because we split strike then the only thing available was 25.

I put the dog that restruck first (not mine) in for 50 with a question. It was eventually circled anyway and a dead cast to boot but the point is the process worked. We didn't argue about it all night and ruin the hunt we finished the hunt and had a good one with everybody being good sports and having fun and that happened on the first drop.

Only time I can remember there being a question on a cast I judged ant to rub salt in the wound they were right and I was wrong LOL. Course I figgured out I was wrong way before we would have went back if it hadn't been a dead cast but it still didn't make that crow go down no better

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No dog will recieve plus tree points for a coon caught on the ground

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No dog will recieve plus tree points for a coon caught on the ground

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Yes, It's simple:
If the dog opens and gets struck in before the cast arrives at the caught coon, that dog gets his strike points plussed, if he is at the caught coon. LOL

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
2-3-4 dog cast,don't matter.
Dog(s) get struck xcept 1 dog.
Dog(s) struck catch coon on ground.
Handler of dog not struck prior to coon being caught strikes his dog while coon is being dispatched by other dog(s).
Now...... does the shutout on strike dog get + strike Pts.?
No handler treed their dog .....
Should they have?
In order to make it a complete shutout , coon was audibly caught.

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