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if people ae going to hunt in these hunts they need to read the rules.At the aoura hunt this weekend all dog werent treed we had a 11 year old boy hunting with us he started squalling before the 7 minutes were up.he got scratched but he broke the rule so he got scrachted.hated to do it but it was a qualifer.I think he learned alot that nite.I think i could of called interference because my dog didnt have the coon.but I didnt because he missed the tree and he is a good enough dog he should of had him.The rules are there for a reaon.If we dont go by the back of that rule card your not playing the game right.I try my hardest to be far.I like to stay on top of the game and by doing thta if my dog deseves minus points i will be the first to minus my dog by telling the judge minus him.I MADE HIM A GRAND NITE BY BEING HONEST AND HE IS A GOOD HOUND.iT IS A SPORT AND I TRY TO BE THE BEST SPORT AND HONEST AS I CAN BE ,THE REASON HE GOT SCRATCHED NOT ALL THE DOGS WERE DECLARED TREEDi ALSO THINK THE GARMINS WILL GET ALOT OF PEOPLE IN TROUBLE WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT USING THEM
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I hear what you are saying. The rules should be simple enough to fit on the back of a scorecard. BUT. THEY ARE NOT. In my humble opinion is what caused it all is when they started ignoring their own rule about a dog "not working as part of a cast" . When dogs would no longer work as part of a cast, they had to appease the deaf, dumb , blind an crossseyed dogs that got "by theirself". They had to come up with "Time" , stopwatch type events. That allowed 4 Indepedent types to put on their own show within a single nite hunt event. And to get "leash locked" and all the other BS that goes with it during that "time frame".. WHAT IS THE SEVEN MINUTE RULE YOU REFER TOO? Never mind, I have tried to learn the 3 and the 5 and the 10 and the non-hunting dog which got figure to be one that don't get out of flashlight range all night. As if a spectator buyer can't tell a dog ain't hunting along time before that.

Too bad about the spectater kid. Leave the Speculators at home , even if they are kids. That kid might grow up to develop Microsoft and everybody could hate him . LOL

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I judged a cast a couple weeks ago and I reminded everyone to make sure their garmins were off before we turned loose.

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"I think I could have called interference because my dog didn't have the coon." What????????


It's fine that you are a stickler for the rules but what rule allows you to call interference in the situation above?

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"I think I could have called interference because my dog didn't have the coon." What????????


It's fine that you are a stickler for the rules but what rule allows you to call interference in the situation above?

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thats one way to beat a 11 year old kid we will be lucky if he ever comes back he did break a rule after all it was 6 min 58 sec. scratch him this winning at any cost is why no one wants to hunt in the hunts in the first place you could have stopped him before any harm was done. i would have called for a vote and scratched you for unsportsman like conduct at the end of the night the best dog should win not the slickest handler/judge

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Well, I keep reading Mike's post and I can't figure out where he is coming from with that statement I quoted above.
Is he thinking that because the kid squalled before it was allowed that he can say....."ok, this tree is deleted since he squalled too soon"?

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thats one way to beat a 11 year old kid we will be lucky if he ever comes back he did break a rule after all it was 6 min 58 sec. scratch him this winning at any cost is why no one wants to hunt in the hunts in the first place you could have stopped him before any harm was done. i would have called for a vote and scratched you for unsportsman like conduct at the end of the night the best dog should win not the slickest handler/judge

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thats one way to beat a 11 year old kid we will be lucky if he ever comes back he did break a rule after all it was 6 min 58 sec. scratch him this winning at any cost is why no one wants to hunt in the hunts in the first place you could have stopped him before any harm was done. i would have called for a vote and scratched you for unsportsman like conduct at the end of the night the best dog should win not the slickest handler/judge

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Well I hate not being able to squal as soon as shine time starts. I firmly believe if the dog did its job and stayed treed it deserves to have the tree scored the best way possible. Once those leaves come on standing around for 7 minutes is pretty stupid.

But hey like I told another guy one night, when we enter a UKC hunt we are agreeing to abide by their rules not ours.

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I would have reminded the youngster not to squall there is a dog(s) out running.

Glad to hear of youngins hunting in RQEs. I know I gave away alot of cast wins when I was young. Live and learn.


I really think knowing the rules when your getting started in the nite hunts is way overrated. A good judge can off set a lot of bad experiences. JMO

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It has been my experience that the guys that think they know the rules are usually the ones that have the most missunderstandings.

Learning the rules is a process, part reading them and part learning how to apply them through experience.

Most problems in a cast are not over the rules but just people getting emotional and not knowing how to deal with others very well...

I bet that kid wont soon forget that lesson, maybe that is for the best.......

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YES I BET THE KID TOOK IT BETTER THAN MOST ADULTS ,AND WILL PROBABLY BE A BETTER MAN BECAUSE OF IT,
A FEW YRS AGO I WAS IN A HUNT AND THERE WAS A KID HANDLEING AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SCRATCHED BUT WAS GIVEN A 2ND CHANCE , BY THE END OF THE NIGHT EVERYONE REGRETTED NOT SCRATCHING HIM, HIS DAD WAS COACHING HIM AND TELLING THE KID NOT TO SHINE OTHER PEOPLES TREE SO THE KID WOULD SET THERE WITH HIS LIGHT OFF THE WHOLE 10 MIN,
AT THE END OF THE NIGHT HE WON THE CAST, I WALKED UP TO THE KID IN FRONT OF HIS FATHER SHOOK HIS HAND AND TOLD HIM COGRATULATIONS, BUT I ALSO TOLD HIM I DID NOT LIKE HOW HE WAS ACTING LIKE A POOR SPORTSMAN IN THE WOODS , THE FATHER SHOOK MY HAND AND APOLIGIZED SO I HOPE THAT KID LEARNED A LESSON THAT NIGHT

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Did you get ace qualified Mike?

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I know everyone has a opinion so here is mine, I think that the more experienced hunters on that cast should have kinda talked with the kid and made sure he knew what all to do and not to do , like not squalling until the time was up etc, we need to be more concerned about our youth and keeping them involved in our great sport and not bullying them around until they find something else to get into that might not be so good like (DRUGS) I belive it is sports like coonhunting that keep kids off of crap like that. So what if his dog won be a man shake his hand and tell him good job. I am not saying let him by with breaking the rules but tell him what he did wrong and give the kid a 2nd chance I bet he wouldnt have done it again , we have to understand that as adults in a sport that these kids are interested in they look up to us and we need to be man or woman enough to take that role. If winning a hunt is more inportant than our youth we are all in bad shape because we will be the last coonhunters. JMO

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I think the (scratch em so they learn the hard way) mentality really hurts the attendance at the hunts. Maybe its because im gettin to be an old man but i figure if a kid has enough interest in the sport to give it a try that its important to help them when we can. Maybe a hay young man you cant squall until 7 minutes are gone would have been a better idea? The kids learns the rule, gets to continue to hunt, and maybe gets home at the end chompin at the bit to go again.

Same thing with a lttle guy taggin along with his dad and some 2 hour maniac makes a big deal about the kid shinin his light in a tree. Get a life guys this is supposed to be fun. All that rules are rules crap is nothing more than an excuse for adults to act more like a child than the child.
Nothing about this sport i enjoy more than seeing a kid and his dog on there first cast, and nothin disgusts me more than an idiot that would do anything to discourage,intimidate, or cheat a kid for a win slip.

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i'll bet there was a coon in that tree seen by cast members long before kid was scratched for stupid mistake real sportsmanship here win at any cost!!

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LOL if I get to the point that I got to win a hunt that bad I think ill just sell my dogs and start fishing lol but then I might blame not catching a fish on the crickett

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while i agree with those of you that say we need to encourage more young people to participate, i also believe in following the rules. club hunts are a great place to teach little johnny that he can't squall,etc. i started comp. hunting when i was twelve and i got it stuck to me several times by not knowing how to apply the rules or not speaking up when i knew someting was wrong. in the long run it made me a better handler.
now i am a high school coach and one of the biggest problems i see is kids quitting sports when they get to the jr. high and high school level. those kids had played for years in the youth leagues where EVERYONES A WINNER, then they got to the real world where it takes effort and tallent to be successful and they weren't willing to put in the work necessary to win.

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Really!!!!!

Who comes onto a public forum and admits to scratching an 11 year old child.

I understand this CHILD broke the rules, but com'on MAN!!!!!!!!

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Yep when winning is more important than a kid sport becomes a dirty word to me. It being a big hunt isn't an excuse for being like that with a kid.

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guys i know this kid that he scratched this young man hunts alot of $kc hunts and just forgot what he was doing and yes the kid was winning the cast at the time.

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Did you scratch him at the moment he hit his squaller or after your dog slick treed. Hate to break your heart fella but, that squaller should have never affected your dog. Face it he just missed. I bet you are still bragging about getting that win huh judge? Did his dog have the coon? You could have warned the little boy. Why were you toting the card thinking you could have called interference.

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Did you scratch him at the moment he hit his squaller or after your dog slick treed. Hate to break your heart fella but, that squaller should have never affected your dog. Face it he just missed. I bet you are still bragging about getting that win huh judge? Did his dog have the coon? You could have warned the little boy. Why were you toting the card thinking you could have called interference



your right I have NEVER seen a squaller make a coon just disapear out of a tree lol probally watched and waited until the kid squalled so he could scratch him so he would have got beat by a kid. EITHER WAY HE HAS A BIGGER SET THAN ME BY GETTING ON HERE AND TELLING EVERYONE THAT HE SCRATCHED A KID

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For all you people out there the kids dad was a specator he said it was his fault for not going over the rules better with him.The kid will be back and I think he learned alot that nite.As far as the interference some people would have treid it I didnty.But beleive ttha kid wil be back and be a great handler in the future.

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