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Training question

I have a 3 yo walker male that I started last fall. He's been hunted alot by himself and looks pretty good that way most of the time. Doesn't hunt real deep but can tree a coon alone no problem, but when I hunt him with another dog he's not very indepentant at all. I have seen him leave his tree when he heard another dog start treeing. I think he pulls of his tracks sometimes too. Can this be helped at all? Or just a bad trait?

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It just shows the problems that can occur by hunting them totally by themselves and not exposing them to other dogs once in a while.

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He has been exposed to other dogs but probly hunted alone 75% of the time, and part of the reason is because he acts stupid with another dog. If he would just do what he knows how to do, he would look good. Since he started so late, I'm afraid there's not much I can do now because he is over 3.

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nobody wants to share any great training tricks that might help?

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Re: Training question

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I have a 3 yo walker male that I started last fall. He's been hunted alot by himself and looks pretty good that way most of the time. Doesn't hunt real deep but can tree a coon alone no problem, but when I hunt him with another dog he's not very indepentant at all. I have seen him leave his tree when he heard another dog start treeing. I think he pulls of his tracks sometimes too. Can this be helped at all? Or just a bad trait?


so you got a 1yr old puppy in a 3yr old body

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clc3800
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I guess that's 1 way of puttin it.

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i figured i would be over run with tips and tactics, cant believe nobody has any advise for me.

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it's pretty hard to help you not enough information ? how many coon dropped ? how long will he stayed treed alone? or with company? is he a quick strike dog? if i had to guess i'd say still learning remember he got a late start and more hunting is the answer to these problems imo

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it's pretty hard to help you not enough information ? how many coon dropped ? how long will he stayed treed alone? or with company? is he a quick strike dog? if i had to guess i'd say still learning remember he got a late start and more hunting is the answer to these problems imo


Thanks. At least your telling me something. He's not a quick strike dog, real tight mouthed on track, kinda hot nosed, hard tree dog will stayed treed for a hour or maybe 2 by hisself but not real tight. He will meet you off the tree sometimes if he's been there a little while. He's had maybe 8 coon knocked out to him. I know that's not a lot but enough to know what he is after. I don't have thick coon so I don't take alot. I started a pup this year almost 10 months old and he will hold more pressure than the 3 year old.

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So, what seems to be the problem, really? If he has been hunted 75% of the time alone and looked good to you...why must he be fixed to hunt to your standards with other dogs? Are you going to comp hunt him?

Pleasure hunters who seem to hunt for pleasure and then get bent when their dog doesn't hunt like a comp dog is nothing new. It is same w retrievers and upland game dogs. As is expecting more out of a dog than what they put in.

So, call me blonde, but where is the problem that needs fixed with the DOG? You have a 3 yo dog you JUST started and he's not independent around other dogs when he's been mostly hunted alone?

Doesn't sound like a dog problem, sounds like an owner problem (expecting too much from a green dog in situations he has not had much experience in).

Dogs are PACK animals by nature. You are asking a 'puppy' in all sense but age, to hunt like a finished dog for starters. He's been hunted mostly alone. Of course he is going to pull and see what the commotion is elsewhere. He lacks confidence and if you are hunting him with more confident dogs he is going to pull until he has that confidence to stand alone.

Either way keeping him in the woods is where he is going to figure out what kind of dog he is going to be. As a 3 yo with a season under his belt, he's already behind in the game. If he is consistently catching coon on his own and you aren't having trash races, you are doing good for one season.

You can't expect a dog to hunt like a 3 yo when he has the experience of a yearling.

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If it were my dog, I would hunt him with a beginning puppy. After he pulls to the bumbling puppy 3 or 4 times, he will learn not to pay attention to the other dog. If he has a real strong treeing instinct, he will learn to stay. As for him meeting you before you reach the tree, this is the approach I use on young dogs. Don't praise or acknowledge the dog until you reach the tree. Always leash him. If he has the coon, knock it out. Afterwards, praise him heavily.

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quote:
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So, what seems to be the problem, really? If he has been hunted 75% of the time alone and looked good to you...why must he be fixed to hunt to your standards with other dogs? Are you going to comp hunt him?

Pleasure hunters who seem to hunt for pleasure and then get bent when their dog doesn't hunt like a comp dog is nothing new. It is same w retrievers and upland game dogs. As is expecting more out of a dog than what they put in.

So, call me blonde, but where is the problem that needs fixed with the DOG? You have a 3 yo dog you JUST started and he's not independent around other dogs when he's been mostly hunted alone?

Doesn't sound like a dog problem, sounds like an owner problem (expecting too much from a green dog in situations he has not had much experience in).


Dogs are PACK animals by nature. You are asking a 'puppy' in all sense but age, to hunt like a finished dog for starters. He's been hunted mostly alone. Of course he is going to pull and see what the commotion is elsewhere. He lacks confidence and if you are hunting him with more confident dogs he is going to pull until he has that confidence to stand alone.

Either way keeping him in the woods is where he is going to figure out what kind of dog he is going to be. As a 3 yo with a season under his belt, he's already behind in the game. If he is consistently catching coon on his own and you aren't having trash races, you are doing good for one season.

You can't expect a dog to hunt like a 3 yo when he has the experience of a yearling.



Well first let me say thank you. You seem to be knowledgeable and I may be getting the cart ahead of the horse so to speak. I guess I just expect him to act his age even though he started a little late (as a 2 year old). It just seems to me like later starting hounds come on a little faster once they do start, (that is if they are going to make it at all) because they are through with alot of the stupidness that comes with pups. I did not however start him late on purpose, that is just how I got him. I hope you are right though, maybe after another season he will become more confident around other hounds. He sure is a pleasure to hunt alone though. He don't care about trash other than an occasional grinner, checks back if he don't strike, trees a coon if he does strike, tone broke, no babbling, but he gets RETARDED when you cut him with another dog.

As for why I want him "fixed"- I haven't hunted him so much alone on purpose. I hunted him alone because he's all I had to hunt at the time and he needed to be in the woods. Also, I do have friends that have hounds as well, and I really hate for him to look so bad with their dogs even though I know he can tree coon alone. He's not really a comp type of hound and I sure don't want him to be exposed to a tree gator at this point, but I would like to be able to pleasure hunt him with my friends. I'm not opposed to comp hunting at all, I just think you need a certain type dog for it and he needs to be ready before you put him in the hunts. The pup I am training now will be a good one for the hunts (I think).

Anyway, I am not a newbie to the sport but I have been out of the loop for a while as I didn't hunt for about 10-12 years and I know alot of you guys have learned alot since the '90's when I was hunting before.

Thanks for all the help guys.

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Re: Re: Training question

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so you got a 1yr old puppy in a 3yr old body
Thats more or less what you have.If he has never been exposed to dogs then just hunt him with other dogs,if he is coon crazy and loves to hunt he should come out of the "puppy stage"

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Re: Training question

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when I hunt him with another dog he's not very indepentant at all. I have seen him leave his tree when he heard another dog start treeing. I think he pulls of his tracks sometimes too. Can this be helped at all? Or just a bad trait?


Just because the dog hunts good by him self does not mean he's independent. I beleive a dog is either born with that natural independence or not. But some dogs can be conditioned to an extent to learn not to back another dog, but since he was just started not to long ago, I wouldn't do anything that could possibly set him back yet. I'd hunt him 3 nights of the week by hisself, and 2 nights of the week with other dogs. Seems to me he's just lacking confidence, which should get better the more he is hunted.

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Put your garmin on him and a shocking collar. Turn one dog loose and let it get treed, then turn him loose on the opposite side of road or down the road. When he heads to the other dog use the collar to let him know that is not what you want him to do. The other method I use is to have a handler go to the dog treed and then turn loose the dog I want to teach. When the learning dog comes into the tree the other handler turns his light on and acts like the boogey man while switchcing the dog away. My other suggestion would be to give him more coons when alone and NEVER with another dog!! JMTC

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thanks guys.

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Im sure this is nothing new but I like to chop a window in a tree and let the dog drag the coon out of the tree. I have done that with my dog and you couldn't pry him off a tree

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Maybe he's coming around.

I cut him with my pup last night and he treed in a beaver swamp and held his tree real good with the pup trailling all over the swamp. That's a big improvement from what he's been doing.

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