Registered: Aug 2008
Location: Southeast TN
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http://www.wbir.com/video/default.a...d=1078695272001

Here is what we are paying the TWRA to do with our tax money and license fees. All I can say is I told you so. If you are in TN and like to hog hunt or hunt period, you need to be pitching a fit over this. They cut it out in most of the state and next year they will cut it out in South Cherokee and that will be the end of it. They are slaughtering these hogs and letting them rot. They falsely claim that hound hunting couldn't get the job done. That is easy to say coming from the group who is responsible for restricting the hound hunting and limiting our opportunities. TWRA looks pretty proud of their catch. We went to Catoosa this year and killed 6 hogs in one morning. If they had to eliminate the hogs they should have given us a chance to do so. We have been paying for the experience for a lifetime and now we are paying them to take that experence away from us. If hound hunters have been transporting hogs, maybe they should spend a little time catching these phantom hog smugglers. and less time slaughtering the tastiest animal in the woods.

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Don't agree with letting the meat rot at all, our DNR gives all the meat from trapped hogs away, but I do agree with some of what there Doin an wish they would do it here in Sc! Our hog population is way outta control an it is because of what u called phantoms turning them loose, I know this for a fact! Not a thing wrong with guys enjoyin huntin pigs with dogs at all but when they start ruining once prime huntin land then they should bust there ass. Our season is yr round private land an anytime another seasons open on public.like I said I don't agree with all the said just strongly disagree with people releasing them things on public land.

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So.. they want to get rid of hogs by not hunting them, that makes sense. Tellico and catoosa is eat up with them. But before you get all bent out of shape. You can still run dogs on hogs in wma's.

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So.. they want to get rid of hogs by not hunting them, that makes sense. Tellico and catoosa is eat up with them. But before you get all bent out of shape. You can still run dogs on hogs in wma's.

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Registered: Aug 2008
Location: Southeast TN
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I am already bent out of shape.
Statewide hogdogging is banned with the exception of a couple of counties according to the TWRA themselves. They blame 100% of the overpopulation on hunters. They say we stock them and we are not effective at killing them. How in the world can the agency that sets the rules on when, where and how often you can hunt and by what means say that hunting is ineffective. If hunting is ineffective it is because the TWRA has made it so. They don't even know how many hogs hunters kill each year because they do not make hunters statewide check them out. They probably think they are really catching a lot of hogs with their trapping methods. Boy those traps are really working well in the rest of the South where hogs are much worse than they are here. The TWRA has shown a complete lack of ability to learn from other states mistakes. If you think I am full of it go to the link below and see for yourself.

http://www.tn.gov/twra/feralhog.html

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Chris, I can not agree with you more. The commission sets the rules and TWRA officals simply play devils advocate to the hunters by saying, "we only inforce the rules". Which they do but, it is also the TWRA officals who make the recommendations as to the hunting seasons. TWRA is using the Kansas DWR's method of hunting them and will tell you so if you ask. We aren't in Kansas boys and girls, we are in TN where hunting hogs with hounds is a tradition from long ago. The sportmen and women of TN as well as it's citizens OWN the hogs that TWRA OFFICIALS are killing and not allowing ANY to hunt unless you are "privilaged" enough to own the land or lucky enough to be one of the 10 allowed to kill them on the private lands that hogs are raping. The job of trapping hogs needs not fall on TWRA officers as it is the sportsmen of TN that pays for him to do this. No one and I mean NO ONE understands the concept of taking the "sport" out of hog hunting and in doing so lowering the population. They "claim" that it's only houndsmen releasing hogs and I'd say some are but, just as many nonhoundsmen do it as well. My question is how many "houndsmen" have been found guilty in a court of law for releasing them. I'd say the numbers will be VERY low.
The commission is appointed not elected so there is no fear of reprecussions. Within TWRA if it doesn't have antlers or a black beard with a fan it is simply a nuisence. I am a member of several Asso.'s that support houndsmen and I suggest everyone that enjoys the sport of hunting with hounds join. We must also go in FORCE as a united group to the meetings, meaning days off work, if we are to see our children enjoy the sport that so many of us love. We aren't being taken seriously enough as a group because they know by previous experience that WE don't stand together well.
I hear alot of people saying that they aren't going to hunt in TN anymore because of the stupid laws being made. I simply say that being run out of your own state instead of standing and fighting for something is cowardly and will only buy a minimal amount of time until it is taken away there.
We need to charter buses and flood the assembly room with houndsmen at every meeting until they begin to take us seriously. If we know lawyers we need to see if we (the sportsmen) have a case and if they would take it pro bono. We need men that hold political "clout" on OUR side.
Everything that can be done NEEDS to be done before this gets to deep.

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Registered: Aug 2008
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If they are going to delist the pigs, then let people kill them by any means necessary. If you are deer hunting now and a hog walks up to you, it is illegal to kill it according to the TWRA website. If you are a land owner you cannot let people use dogs on your own private land to hunt hogs, unless you file them as one of your 10 designees with the TWRA. http://www.tn.gov/twra/feralhog.html
If you will follow that link, you will also see that they place 100% of the blaim on the hog hunters for the "pig problem".

I was not aware of a hog problem in Kansas that was even similar to that of TN. In 2006 there were only an estimated 220 wild/feral hogs in the state of Kansas according to a US Geological Survey conducted by The University of Nebraska with the assistance of Kansas State University, Nebraska Game and Parks Commission, and Kansas Dept. of Wildlife and Parks. I think my group has killed nearly that many hogs in TN since 2006. The comparison to Kansas and their hog management plan is a complete stretch and just plain ignorant. 220 hogs 82,277 square miles is not a very dense population. TN has many more hogs in an area of 42,143 sq miles. TN is beyond the point of being able to trap out the few select pockets of hogs as they did in Kansas. I read an article in the Chattanoogan where they made that comparison. That just goes to show us that the TWRA is getting some bad advise from people who don't know their ear from a hole in the ground.

Here is a link to the geological survey if you think I am full of crap.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/v...atio
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If you are wondering where this stuff is coming from just watch the video from WBIR and you can see that "biologist" Ben Layton and TWRA mouthpiece Dan Hicks just ooze stupidity and arrogance.

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Chris, I've saw the video and don't care to see it again. There is NO sense in TWRA wildlife officers taking MY, OUR hard earned money (as well time away from there duties) to trap hogs when every method and means have NOT been exhausted by the SPORTSMAN of TN. TWRA is begining to get alittle to big for their britches if you ask me. We, as houndsmen and sportsmen HAVE GOT to stand up and fight this in a reasonable, legal manner NOW. We can't wait until this gets a "foothold" because it will only be a more up hill battle the longer this goes on.

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Registered: Dec 2009
Location: EAST TN
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I am no expert but I would think if they would give a year round dog season like GA n some other states with alot bigger hog pop. we would control the hog situation as sportsman n be able to do what we pay them high licenses prices to do

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TWO YEARS FROM NOW THEY WILL BE BEGGING PEOPLE TO KILL THEM HOWEVER THEY CAN.

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Now you tell me if this makes any sense. You don’t have to go the links. I just included them to show you know I am not making this stuff up.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_199808.asp


http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/v...0populations%22

I read in the Chattanoogan that the TWRA had came up with this hair-brained scheme based on the model used in Kansas. In 2006 Kansas had an estimated 220 hogs. Since 2006 the state of Kansas has killed over 2000 hogs and their population is now estimated at over 500 hogs. So this miracle cure for the state of TN can be expected to result in a population increase of 150% in less than 5 years.

http://harvestpublicmedia.org/artic...wild%E2%80%A6/5

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Registered: Jul 2010
Location: adirondack mnt new york
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its amazing how they come up with an idea that hunters are "stocking" these hogs in certain areas, what a crock, i live in ny and we never had any hogs here but in the past few years they started to show up in the southern parts of the state, its just natural that they migrate around and expand to new habitat, or maybe the tenn hunters brought them up here???? i feel for ya chris you are up against a bunch of morons on this one

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