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is it possible for a dog to have to much track and not enough tree? here is my poroblem, my dog will tree fine if there is another dog with her to convince her that shes right. she has no ploblem running a track at all. that part she is 100% right on. she just wont fall treed on her own. she will get it narrowed down to a 25 yd circle and stall out back and forth. i have been able to talk her into it a few times if im close enough. ever time she has she had the meat so slick treeing isnt a problem. she has got a great nose cause she can wind one from 50 yds away , ive seen her do it and get it treed but she will come off the tree and back track it untill another dog locks on the tree. once that happens she will tree with the other dog and not leave. i havta drag her off the tree when she does. you would think if she can run a track like she does that she wouldnt have any trouble treeing. not sure how i can help her or if i can.

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how old is the dog?

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she just turned two. she was layed up for awhile before i got her. the original owner of her as a pup said she was treeing at 7 months old. i am the forth owner of her for what i can tell. ive had her for about 6 months now. thought maybe she was ate up on a tree once but not sure. im still trying to get her figured out myself.one time she seems like she has and the next time im not sure.

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If you're the fourth owner , there is probably a reason for it.
Feed her a dozen coon and if she hasn't got it figured out by then , it's time to move on.

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If you're the fourth owner , there is probably a reason for it.
Feed her a dozen coon and if she hasn't got it figured out by then , it's time to move on.

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If the dog can tree 100 easy ones in style but bogs down on the hard ones it just doesn't have it. Its not too much track its not enough smarts, JMHO

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Not treeing is what seperates tree hounds from any other dog alive....you can teaxh most any ole dog of any breed to chase and track...some have better noses and are better than others but most can be taught to do it to a certain extent....

Treeing? Thats where a dog got it or it dont...you can help them tree to a certain extent....but if they dont got that instinct they just dont got it....

Any ole dog can and will do what other dogs do....


If it were me i would work the dog a short time longer...she dont come around fairly quick and its the end of the line as far as i am concerned...make a nice pet for someone...but she wont be bred or hunted for coon....make someone a dandy big game dog i bet...

If they aint getting it done by 2 years old they are done...their 2nd birthday is their most important as far as i am concerned....thats deciaion time imo...they arent getting it done by then they most likely dont got it or are too far screwed up....

Ive worked a screw up...took a while to straighten her out...i hubted her as a pup so i knew she had it once before...someone else handled her and she reverted...i took over and granded her out....

I muchhhhh rather work a natural pup than someones screw up...especially if you dont know the story on why the dog is screwed up...in my case i knew the kid was afraid of the dark..called the dog back after a few mins or if she got too deep...

Know a kid that fried a dog running a coon with an ecollar...said she blew out hard and fast like she was burning a deer.....dog never ever hunted again...

Different screw ups effect different dogs differently....getting ate up at a young age by another dog or a coon not killed dead can make a dog do what yours is doing....no tellin what happened...but i wouldnt waste a ton of tine on her knowing she had 3 other owners


Good luck hope she turns out for ya...

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forget the age if you guys have laid up not hunted it etc give it till dec
and see what you got

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Sounds like she has a hotter nose them easy coons r easy for her to smell on the tree so she trees but the older track like u said get to far ahead of her & are cold on the tree by time she gets ther & it isn't clickin that the coon is ther. She may n time settle on a colder tree but don't hold ur breath. That's what's wrong with a hot noses dog thhey get the easy coons & leave the hard coons n the tree cuz they can't smell it on the tree by the time they figure track out the coon has been up tree so long its no longer hot on the tree. So they don't smell it good ther4 they don't tree rite if they do start treein they usually don't stay

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It sure would help if You knew more about her history. She may have been worked too much on a cage coon and if so You wouldn't want to do more of it, however if she hasn't been worked on a cage coon it may be just the thing to really get her treeing.

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Sounds to me like a confidence {lack of} problem to me. How to fix it, just you and the Dog. Stay close, when she gets treed, tie her there with leash {can't leave if shes tied }. Look for coon, if shes got him, pet her up, make her feel like shes won the lottery. Make sure you have a pocket full of bullets, shoot one or two out to her. Shoot the coon out dead {between the eyes} make sure the dog wins every time!!!!! Keep hunting her by herself!! Good luck, let us know how it goes.

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well i took her out tonight again. just so happened my cousin hade got one in a live trap, now i have never showed her a cage since i owned her so the was the first i did this. we pulled up a tree like you would and let her tree on it awhile then i put back in the truck and cut the coon loose,there was two other young dogs there to. all treed on it and wanted a piece of it. we cut the dogs loose and they went 130 yds then made a few little circles and fell treed. i did this just to see what would happen, she looked like she strugged a little on if she wanted to tree or not. she checked that tree three times before she locked on. then she wasnt leaving. i wish i did know more about how she was hunted before i got her but the guy i got her off of is just like most people you get a dog off of. you know what i mean, she never did that before kinda thing or she is just a started dog and needs to be finished story.i dont really care about all that i just wanna give her the benifet of dout on this. it looks like to me that she is trying but just needs more time under a coon, i could be wrong but she is one of those dogs that is really easy to conect with if you know what i mean. i will keep hunting her cause she is showing progress . sometimes it like 2 steps foward an 1 back but there is improvement just not all at once.

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And that could be just it.....she was never given a chance...the previous owners thought she was doing more than she was...werent happy and now you got her....

Could be she wasnt hunted and given the chance....confidence and time in the woods and getting under coon is what makes a coon dog....some take right to it....most need worked and helped along the way....could be all she needs....

Id keep getting her on hot tracks....work her like she is a pup....hot traxks...a tree or 2 and put her up...dont work her hard...keep it fun and try to get her under coon...might have to "talk her into it" sometimes...the pups ive worked been like that in the beginning...would run a track and sometimes locate or bark on a tree a few times and mill around....find the coon..get to her when she is there and pet her and praise her etc.....knock some coon out dead if you can...some differ on that...when i am starting them i do it in season so i can knock coon out to them a while...i do that till they are doing a good job then i knock a coon out every so often...a good dog dont need fur in its mouth...but i do think it helps in the beginning...

Dont know the dogs history...so that is the best way to approach...like she is a pup and give her the chance....i still wouldnt waste a ton of time...she is 2...she is mature enough that it should click pretty quick imo...like you said...progression is key....if they are trying and showing improvement that is all you can ask for when they are starting out....

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i think barrys telling you right.

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I think she has a lack of confidence letting her tree some in the day light and letting her see it go up the tree and will build up her confidence.

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I think she has a lack of confidence letting her tree some in the day light and letting her see it go up the tree and will build up her confidence.

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Your dog is messed up as it is if it don't tree it is broke. You can't break what is already broke. I don't think she got ate up before or she wouldn't back other dogs. Yes she thinks the coon is up there but she does not have the confidence to stay. If it was super hot or she could see it that would really help her confidence. If this makes her go to treeing on every tree you will still have what you got a dog that don't run and tree coons by herself.

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well i had her out last night again with a dog that is not as good as she is as far as knowing whats up. she ran three differant tracks and all ended the same with no tree. the last one really made me scratch my head. it ended along a woods road at a tree they both checked a half a dozen times. now i know there was no coon in that tree or any trees real close by. got her at the tree and walked her around and back to where they started the track to see if she could pick something up that she may have missed. right back to the same tree she went.thought maybe she ran it backwards so took her to the other end of the track and it was colder at that end by the way she worked it. right back to the same tree. thought maybe the coon tag that tree and keep going so i took her across the woods road and made her work that area out, she found nothing, right back to the same tree we go. didnt see any holes in the tree so dont think it was on the inside. i could see if only one of the dogs did this but both smelled somthing on that tree that they wanted. she was opening on the track but just looking at the tree not a sound at all on the tree just checking. with a good dog she will usally be the first to open but the good dog will tree first then she will follow suit. if you hunted her with a good dog all the time you probally wouldnt notice her problem as much cause she right in there getting it done with company. by herself is when you see whats lacking.

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hunt her with other dogs, if she dont tree, tie her at the tree and let the other dogs have the coon right infront of her, do this several times and never let her so much as sniff the coon, i have had this to work on some and not on others, i had a real nice male that would run byhimself and tree for about a minute then run the track backwards and then back to the tree, then backwards, this worked for him.

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hunt her with other dogs, if she dont tree, tie her at the tree and let the other dogs have the coon right infront of her, do this several times and never let her so much as sniff the coon, i have had this to work on some and not on others, i had a real nice male that would run byhimself and tree for about a minute then run the track backwards and then back to the tree, then backwards, this worked for him.

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thanks i will try that. havent done this yet with her. but right now i wont shoot any out to her cause we have thin coon as it is and alot of people trap around here during seson so come kill seson if shes not doing it on her own i will do that.

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pass around like a cheap bottle wonder why dog has issues

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pass around like a cheap bottle wonder why dog has issues

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I would like to get her with a real good coon dog but to be honest with you no one I hunt with has a real good coon dog. Now they wil get treed and can find a coon just every one I have to hunt with are plesure hunters and don't push there dogs enough to be great coon dogs in my mind. I have never hunted with any dogs that impresed me enough to say that they were great.

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