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a couple of years ago I was in a cast it was cold and sleeting first drop we spent like 25 minutes with out a bark all of a sudden big walker male blows up treed without saying a word on ground two others get in their....2 drop bout 5 minutes in same thing the handler with dog in 2nd place wants him scratched for being silent we didn't drop 3 big walker male treed right in front of us mad 2 barks on ground in bout 20 yards from tree sat down....handler of dog 2 still wanted him scratched....we did not.. I think this dog was lay up aristed and the only hound in cast that was a coon dog what u think????

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The way you describe it,, I think was lay ups and I agree with your call,,, 2 barks on the ground is not silent,

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2 barks not silent. One bark not silent. Must be continuously silent to scrTch. One locate on one tree hush go locate another tree and stay not silent. It's like trying to get a dog for babbling. Impossible. If you disagree try scratching a dog for it.

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Now I know no ones goin agree with me but I cant hardly fault a silent hound I know they are supposed to open on trail but seems a lot of hounds tighten up with age also seems they see they can gain a lil ground on a coon by tightenin up but far as comp goes babblin is a huge advantage in other pkc 100 strike carries a lot of weight and it in my oppinon is worst fault a hound can have butIt accepted even desired a silent hound takin 25 and 150 cannot beat that babblin backer on 100 n 75......so ill take the silent coondog over a babblin fool anyday.even if im loosin lol

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Guys whip a dog for packin then wonder why they don't open on the ground that's the only way they can get away from a good quality me to dog lol !!!!

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thats a stupid rule and I would need to evaluate my dog power if a man was beating me so bad I had to give him the silent on track trick to beat him.

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Your right, takes a coon dog to tree layup coon, when other dogs are not under a coon. . i never seen a dog get scratched for being silent. Maybe if a dog , makes 3 trees and never opened up. , but for most part , most dogs will bark a time or 2, regardless. On cold , bad nights not gonna get them. When coon are being scored and tracks are good, then maybe could suggest a dog be scratched for being silent. A silent dog does this after time for being punished for being with a dog, or a older dog does this as it gets smarter to gain ground on a coon. or a coondog does this while treeing a layup coon on tough nights. So its a judgement call that needs to be voted on, and be sure a dog is continually trailing silent. But for most part a handler will get a low end strike dog struck in before it loads up real good on a tree.

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thats a stupid rule and I would need to evaluate my dog power if a man was beating me so bad I had to give him the silent on track trick to beat him.

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Now I know no ones goin agree with me but I cant hardly fault a silent hound I know they are supposed to open on trail but seems a lot of hounds tighten up with age also seems they see they can gain a lil ground on a coon by tightenin up but far as comp goes babblin is a huge advantage in other pkc 100 strike carries a lot of weight and it in my oppinon is worst fault a hound can have butIt accepted even desired a silent hound takin 25 and 150 cannot beat that babblin backer on 100 n 75......so ill take the silent coondog over a babblin fool anyday.even if im loosin lol

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Exactly!!!! Bein silent is classified as a fault because hounds are posed to show trailin but it comes a instinct that a hound sees he can gain ground on a coon by tightenin up .......but babblin for the cause of gettin a higher strike is pitiful and a disgrace to any breed... this is my oppinon anyway

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I have a dog thT will only open on track if he is behind another dog on track , but if he is ahead he will only bark once before he locates and trees . He almost always gets 3rd or 4th on strike , but most always first on tree and he will stay there all night. I have also had him get first and second strike to when he is in tip top shape . I have had a guy argue he is silent .. Oh well he is a good straight accurate dog in any mans book.. I think u ought to be able to hunt a silent trailer in hunts , but guess a lot of guy would cry about it if they got beat , because thier dog couldn't find and be up his butt all night me tooing .. Lol change the **** rule let us hunt our silent but deadly trailers ...

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I think if you want to hunt your silent dogs, you need to start your own registry that allows that.
If UKC wants to require that a treed dog only counts if he is hopping on one foot, that is their business. Don't like it, don't play.
I had a big nite hunter telling me about how I could hunt my silent dog, I explained to him that by the way the rules written, if I hunted my dog I would be a cheater and a liar therefore I will not. Many would be the time I would have to strike my dog on a locate or "pitch" him and that would make me a liar and a cheat.
I like the guys who are selling their nite champion silent dog, what does that tell you?
By the way, I could care less for this nite hunt stuff just so you guys know. Never been on one except about 25 years ago one time.

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Here we go again, another silent trailing post. Boys I have covered this issue from stem to stern over the years, but for those of you who may not have seen my position, listen up!

Any dog that opens on the ground only one bark out of three coon tracks is probably for the most part (silent). You can close your ears, turn off your mind, you can even whistle dixie, but that doesn't change the fact that the dog is probably for the most part a silent trailer. That coon wasn't born in that tree and had to get up there somehow, and by doing so he should have left some scent on the ground. Those of you that want to call a dog a babbler because he has a couple loose barks off the strap are pretty much cry babies as well. A babbler (in my opinion) is a dog that NEVER shuts up from the time you line him up until you pull him off a tree. Now THATS A BABBLER!!

You think its OK to ignore one of the most basic principle differences , (as outlined by our forefathers of competition hunting,) between a CUR trait and a HOUND trait, yet punish a hound to the fullest extent when in fact, you have no idea if the dog smells scent or not because you have never smelled coon scent on the ground in your life, but think you know (EVERY TIME) a dog opens without actually smelling a track. Yep Thats why you have trouble enjoying a cast under UKC rules.

There are only a few nights per year (less than 10% of the total nights) when the weather is right and the bulk of your coon are sitting up. Yet it seems every weekend somebody has an excellent layup dog that will tree two or three coon without opening on the ground. Yes keep telling yourself they are layup artists, I just don't want those type of CUR traits in my hounds. So just fess up and tell the truth, you won't get scratched for it anyway, that is one rule you choose to turn a blind eye to, and expect the rest of us to turn a blind eye as well.

Tight is one thing, silent is another, and a babbler is yet again something else. Give me that dog that opens when he smells a track, no matter how cold it is and have the exceptional ability to put a tree on the end of that track with a coon in it. Not a hound that opens one time on the ground (just before it trees) and yet still has the coon.

You feed yours, I'll feed mine, and we won't care how they operate when you are pleasure hunting, but when you go to the competition circuit, you are expected to honor ALL the rules, not just the ones that suit you the best.

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I have a dog thT will only open on track if he is behind another dog on track , but if he is ahead he will only bark once before he locates and trees . He almost always gets 3rd or 4th on strike , but most always first on tree and he will stay there all night. I have also had him get first and second strike to when he is in tip top shape . I have had a guy argue he is silent .. Oh well he is a good straight accurate dog in any mans book.. I think u ought to be able to hunt a silent trailer in hunts , but guess a lot of guy would cry about it if they got beat , because thier dog couldn't find and be up his butt all night me tooing .. Lol change the **** rule let us hunt our silent but deadly trailers ...

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Here we go again, another silent trailing post. Boys I have covered this issue from stem to stern over the years, but for those of you who may not have seen my position, listen up!

Any dog that opens on the ground only one bark out of three coon tracks is probably for the most part (silent). You can close your ears, turn off your mind, you can even whistle dixie, but that doesn't change the fact that the dog is probably for the most part a silent trailer. That coon wasn't born in that tree and had to get up there somehow, and by doing so he should have left some scent on the ground. Those of you that want to call a dog a babbler because he has a couple loose barks off the strap are pretty much cry babies as well. A babbler (in my opinion) is a dog that NEVER shuts up from the time you line him up until you pull him off a tree. Now THATS A BABBLER!!

You think its OK to ignore one of the most basic principle differences , (as outlined by our forefathers of competition hunting,) between a CUR trait and a HOUND trait, yet punish a hound to the fullest extent when in fact, you have no idea if the dog smells scent or not because you have never smelled coon scent on the ground in your life, but think you know (EVERY TIME) a dog opens without actually smelling a track. Yep Thats why you have trouble enjoying a cast under UKC rules.

There are only a few nights per year (less than 10% of the total nights) when the weather is right and the bulk of your coon are sitting up. Yet it seems every weekend somebody has an excellent layup dog that will tree two or three coon without opening on the ground. Yes keep telling yourself they are layup artists, I just don't want those type of CUR traits in my hounds. So just fess up and tell the truth, you won't get scratched for it anyway, that is one rule you choose to turn a blind eye to, and expect the rest of us to turn a blind eye as well.

Tight is one thing, silent is another, and a babbler is yet again something else. Give me that dog that opens when he smells a track, no matter how cold it is and have the exceptional ability to put a tree on the end of that track with a coon in it. Not a hound that opens one time on the ground (just before it trees) and yet still has the coon.

You feed yours, I'll feed mine, and we won't care how they operate when you are pleasure hunting, but when you go to the competition circuit, you are expected to honor ALL the rules, not just the ones that suit you the best. Dave I hope you vented enough! LOL! are you healed up yet?

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Here we go again, another silent trailing post. Boys I have covered this issue from stem to stern over the years, but for those of you who may not have seen my position, listen up!

Any dog that opens on the ground only one bark out of three coon tracks is probably for the most part (silent). You can close your ears, turn off your mind, you can even whistle dixie, but that doesn't change the fact that the dog is probably for the most part a silent trailer. That coon wasn't born in that tree and had to get up there somehow, and by doing so he should have left some scent on the ground. Those of you that want to call a dog a babbler because he has a couple loose barks off the strap are pretty much cry babies as well. A babbler (in my opinion) is a dog that NEVER shuts up from the time you line him up until you pull him off a tree. Now THATS A BABBLER!!

You think its OK to ignore one of the most basic principle differences , (as outlined by our forefathers of competition hunting,) between a CUR trait and a HOUND trait, yet punish a hound to the fullest extent when in fact, you have no idea if the dog smells scent or not because you have never smelled coon scent on the ground in your life, but think you know (EVERY TIME) a dog opens without actually smelling a track. Yep Thats why you have trouble enjoying a cast under UKC rules.

There are only a few nights per year (less than 10% of the total nights) when the weather is right and the bulk of your coon are sitting up. Yet it seems every weekend somebody has an excellent layup dog that will tree two or three coon without opening on the ground. Yes keep telling yourself they are layup artists, I just don't want those type of CUR traits in my hounds. So just fess up and tell the truth, you won't get scratched for it anyway, that is one rule you choose to turn a blind eye to, and expect the rest of us to turn a blind eye as well.

Tight is one thing, silent is another, and a babbler is yet again something else. Give me that dog that opens when he smells a track, no matter how cold it is and have the exceptional ability to put a tree on the end of that track with a coon in it. Not a hound that opens one time on the ground (just before it trees) and yet still has the coon.

You feed yours, I'll feed mine, and we won't care how they operate when you are pleasure hunting, but when you go to the competition circuit, you are expected to honor ALL the rules, not just the ones that suit you the best.

Good Hunting!!!

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I have no idea why this rule exists, runnin their mouth has zero to do with coon treeing ability and in most cases an honest quick strike dog just cant beat an unhonest automatic strike dog so we are awarding points for just barkin. I would much rather be leading a 4th and 1st type of dog than a 1st and 4th dog.
The closer our rules come to rewarding the dog that would put the most hides on the barn wall the better. I have said it many times, strike em all for 50 so you have something to take away if they quit and the best coontreer will win more often.

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If being silent on track is a cur trait then what about these little 30 pounds straight chop mouth sounding g house dogs , lol and mine defiantly has no cur in him...

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ok if ur going to wine about a silent dog how about these dogs that have 600 circle points and u same ones that talk about being honest than minus your slick treeers jmo rather get beat by a silent dog than a slick treein idiot with circle points

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Most guys are scared to hunt against a silent hound..I got one that will send you packing back home with your tail tucked....suck it up if you get beat by a silent hound you might want to roll your barking dog over a hill and get you another one.. HaHaHa!!!!! Have A Nice Day

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A silent mouth dog is a FAULT. I love to listen to a big bawl mouth dog working up a track more so than I do a good tree dog. A silent mouth dog never did scare me in the hunts when I was hunting the hunts cause I knew what I was packing. All of these silent mouth, coyote yeppin, cur mouth dogs needs to be culled. I've never in my life heard so many crappy mouths and these people are breeding this junk.

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we getting off topic debating silent dogs what I am asking would u all have called this dog silent....

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I think what gets missed is that alot of real tight mouthed dogs didnt start that way, i have had 2 through the years that started out as open as most and got near silent as they got older and smarter, some may consider it a fault but if a dog is winning on a regular basis with 25 strike points thats one heck of a coondog.

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we getting off topic debating silent dogs what I am asking would u all have called this dog silent....

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I totally agree with you! if you beat me with a silent dog! on a regular basis well I need to get me a better dog. because my dog is just following yours. jmo

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