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croatankid
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Registered: Jun 2007
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breaking from fox

my dogs, a stephens cur and two young plott gyps, have gotten so they do nothing by run fox. they did tree a possum a couple of nights ago. they have treed several coons and many possums. i know how hard it is to break dog from deer and suspect it's even harder to break from fox. so how's it done?

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robgregory
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croatankid

I recently had a very well known English man tell me that the best way to break a dog from runnin' offgame is #1-never use the E-collar in the field. #2--Determine what the dog is runnin'(whether it's deer,fox or whatever).#3----When you get that dog back home,take a large sock,cut 2 holes in the end of that sock.Put E-collar on the dog,pull the sock completely over it's head and soak the end of that sock with scent of whatever animal you are tryin' to break it off of.Turn up the transmitter to it's highest level of stimulation and shock the piss out of the dog until he crap's and pisses all over himself.The man told me that he guarantees the dog will never ever run that animal again.He swears by it.I have yet to try it,but he is a man with an impeccable reputation in the English world.Good luck.
Rob Gregory

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lord lord

the man sounds to me like a first class D U M B A SSSSSSSSSS.

WHERE DO PEOPLE COME UP WITH THESE "ILL TELL YOU HOW TO BREAK A HOUND" STOIRES?

NO OFFENSE TO YOU ROB JUST MY OPINION.

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agree

i agree whith smoke-pole. try tritronics and common sence worked for a lot of hunnters

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psiskjr
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I broke four at the same time. They have in thier short lives ran bear, hog, diller, possum, deer, coyote, fox, bobcat, house cat, a dog, a couple of fizzerines and even some coons. I used tri-tronics and will not turn a dog loose without one on. They are to the point now that they are pretty honest but still have to tone them occasionally about a diller dashing across the road or a deer running down the road in front of them. Havent had to shock them in probably a month. The are between ten and twelve months now. I let them run anything when they were just starting and then gradually started working on trash. I road hunt so they have plenty of opportunity to trash. I will say it only took a couple of times to break them of fox and yotes. Some were a little more stubborn when it came to deer and dillers. Common sense and restraint are necessary. I dont shock them until I am sure of what they are running. If I am not sure I just try to catch them off and move on.

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Re: lord lord

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Originally posted by smoke-pole
the man sounds to me like a first class D U M B A SSSSSSSSSS.

WHERE DO PEOPLE COME UP WITH THESE "ILL TELL YOU HOW TO BREAK A HOUND" STOIRES?

NO OFFENSE TO YOU ROB JUST MY OPINION.



smoke-pole,since YOU are from Kentucky AND I see YOU are an English man,you probably know(or at least heard) of this so-called DUMB-ASS.He's probably done more winning with English dogs than anyone in your state or anywhere else for that matter.And,I sure as hell don't think you even got the balls to tell him to his face that he is a DUMB-ASS.If you wanna know who I'm talkin' about,just let me know.
Rob

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Re: croatankid

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Originally posted by robgregory
I recently had a very well known English man tell me that the best way to break a dog from runnin' offgame is #1-never use the E-collar in the field. #2--Determine what the dog is runnin'(whether it's deer,fox or whatever).#3----When you get that dog back home,take a large sock,cut 2 holes in the end of that sock.Put E-collar on the dog,pull the sock completely over it's head and soak the end of that sock with scent of whatever animal you are tryin' to break it off of.Turn up the transmitter to it's highest level of stimulation and shock the piss out of the dog until he crap's and pisses all over himself.The man told me that he guarantees the dog will never ever run that animal again.He swears by it.I have yet to try it,but he is a man with an impeccable reputation in the English world.Good luck.
Rob Gregory

not bashing you rob that guy must be a blooming idot i have broke alot of dogs in my life i do it when they are running fox or what ever they think they are doing the shocking with this guy dog knows he is doing it they probly go out run some more trash dont think i would use his method jmo

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coondogman
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LEAD POISON

I wont waste my time on one if they arent natural straight they dont last long here !!!!TOO many coon for one to junk LEAD POISON

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Richard Nethery
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For breaking your dog off Fox.
I would look around for a Fox Pen, if you have them in your state where the Fox hunters chase fox.
If thats not available in your area, look around for some Fox hunters, and ask if you can turn your hound loose with theirs, so you can break yours off Fox.
Use an E-Collar, when your hound joins in with those Fox Hounds light him up.

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Coondogman send me all those not natural straight dogs. Mine all seem to have to run at least deer, hog, fox, diller and coyote before they find out I am coon hunting. LOL

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croatankid
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i have a shock collar and know it's the only tool that will work. i guess i could put my dog in a barrel with a road kill fox and and drag it behind the truck for a few miles or tie one to the dogs collar for a few days or tie the dogs tail to the fox tail and hang them over the cloths line. but i won't do that sort of thing. i'll use the shock collar. that part isn't so hard to figure out.
the only viable idea i've read is the fox pen. thanks richard. the challenge is knowing the dog is running fox in time to shock it before it's out of range. maybe if they were running in an open field but that's not likely to happen. i think the fox pen is the only way and yes we do have them here, somewhere.

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ROB

AS I SAID NO OFFENSE TO YOU MEANT AT ALL. OPINIONS ARE LIKE AS S HOLES EVERYBODY HAS ONE ABOUT EVERYTHING. AND SINCE YOU MENTIONED IT ILL TELL ANYONE ANYTHING THAT CROSSES MY MIND BUT IT WANT BE ON A COMPUTER ILL BE LOOKING HIM STRAIGHT DOWN THE END OF HIS NOSE STARING RITE DIRECTLY AT THOSE LITTLE BLACK SPOTS IN THE CENTER OF HIS EYES.

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mike berger
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Hey Rob, who is this S.O.B. in the English world who shocks his dogs till they piss and ****? Anyone who do'es this is a sadistic bas... and I will tell the prick right to his face.

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I DONT HAVE THAT PROBLEM

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Coondogman send me all those not natural straight dogs. Mine all seem to have to run at least deer, hog, fox, diller and coyote before they find out I am coon hunting. LOL


Havent had to fool with fast game for over 25 years, these dogs today are bred to tree, and as many coons as there is here it is fairly simple to keep them on coon, i might have a little oppussom issue from time to time, but I would not full with a junk runner period, too many tree dogs to be foolling with that

I will not hunt a pup with a strange dog until they are solid,and one that runs junk on there own aint worth my time

But like the man says opions are like a$$ holes everybody has one.

I sure will fix you up with one and you wont have to full with junk runners again

If a pup doesnt tree first, before they run track they dont stay long !!

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