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nathan cooley
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training question

i have a younger dog that will run the snot out of a coon, locates and trees just fine. will stay treed usually until i get within a 100 yards to him. he will start milling around or will come to me, but he won't go back to treeing. i've had him to tree for over an hour before by himself, then when i get close he just came to me. i've trained several dogs but i have never had this problem out of a pup that likes to run and fight coon so well.

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Bill(Chew)
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Hunt him with another dog and when you get to the tree catch and tie him up away from the tree. Let him see you praise the dog at the tree and shoot the coon out alive. DO NOT let him get close to or touch the coon. When the coon is dead put it in your coat and continue hunting or go to the truck, which ever you are doing. Each time he comes off of the tree catch and tie him and leave him out of the fun. He should figure out real quick that if he leaves, no fun; if he stays , he is in the fun.

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groworg1
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i'd say garmin or fast sneakers now that i'm older i use garmin but when i was younger used them fast sneakers. now i wouldn't use another dog to many bad habits and rough tree dogs. your almost there just keep at it and goodluck

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Bluedogman
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I've only had one that would come to meet me. She would always do that at times but she got better. I would always tell her to 'Get back on the tree" and she would. I always petted her up when she went back to the tree. I helped her some but she seemed to want to know who it was that was coming to the tree. She was a very nice coon dog.

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brady8687
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got one myself.... loud dog just wants to recheck about 10 feet around the tree or jumps off me and runs back and trees. Not sure if it is not 100% sure or just happy to see us walk in.?

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quote:
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got one myself.... loud dog just wants to recheck about 10 feet around the tree or jumps off me and runs back and trees. Not sure if it is not 100% sure or just happy to see us walk in.?

When it starts toward you stop and tell it to get on that tree. When it gets back to the tree walk up and pet it and give it a peice of weinie. Don't make any motion toward the tree if it isn't there no matter how many times it comes to you and don't give it any positive attention till you make it to the tree. It is kind of a reverse of how you teach a dog a refind.
After it stays at the tree every time start backing off the weinie till you don't have to give it any more. Then if it comes off the tree it knows what get on the tree meens. At that point you can tell it "get on that tree" and bump it lightly with a e-collar. Shouldn't have to but you might.

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quote:
Originally posted by brady8687
got one myself.... loud dog just wants to recheck about 10 feet around the tree or jumps off me and runs back and trees. Not sure if it is not 100% sure or just happy to see us walk in.?

Mine was not re-checking the tree. She was very confident of her trees.

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Lee Currens Jr.
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if a pup can get you with then a 100yrds turn you light
dwn low shine the trees very carefully.when you see them
shining back.you can do 1 of 2 things depending on the hick.. thank your smart enough 2 fig the rest out.

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Re: training question

quote:
Originally posted by nathan cooley
..... he will start milling around or will come to me, but he won't go back to treeing.

Somebody has been whooping him at the tree.
Probably wasn't finding the coon this summer and was whooping him for slick treeing.
Probably listening to too many internet coonhunters.
This is what happens when you don't know what you're doing.

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Okie Dawg
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Re: Re: training question

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Somebody has been whooping him at the tree.
Probably wasn't finding the coon this summer and was whooping him for slick treeing.
Probably listening to too many internet coonhunters.
This is what happens when you don't know what you're doing.

Yep just like this one..........LMAO

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MidniteMadness
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Tri-Tronics. Mine trees pretty decent but when he can see my light coming he will slack off or stop for a sec. I will tell him to get on the tree and talk to that coon and he does. If he mills while Im at the tree I tell him to get on the tree plus a tone from the Tri-Tronics. He is pretty accustomed to the tone and knows when he hears it he better be doing what he is told. He dont never stop treeing altogether like you are describing though. Does he get a lot of coon shot to him? He may just be real sharp and knows that he only has to tree bark until you get there to get the coon. Maybe tie him back for a while and dont give him the coon. Shock collar will work wonders though.

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Personaly I wouldn't use the tone. It is like counting to 3 for kids. Once he learns what get on that tree means tell him to do it and if he dont then nick him. The more persistant he is about leaveing the hoter the nick gets. If your e collar has a rehastat switch you should be able to give him just enough to make him jump to what you told him to do with out over doing it.
The trick is to get to were you can give him enough that he doesn't want to risk it any more WITH OUT scareing him off the tree. So start out bumping gently and work your way up. If it is to much and back it off. BE SURE AND PRAISE HIM WHEN HE IS ON THE TREE. THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF CONTRAST BETWEEN WHEN HE IS DOING RIGHT AND WRONG.

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Bluedogman
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No telling how many worthless dogs I could have made into world champions if only I had been a ninety-day-wonder with a shocking collar! Oh well!

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quote:
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No telling how many worthless dogs I could have made into world champions if only I had been a ninety-day-wonder with a shocking collar! Oh well!

Yea but with out modern day equipment you can just stay in the dark ages. I see you did adapt to the computer though.

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quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Personaly I wouldn't use the tone. It is like counting to 3 for kids. Once he learns what get on that tree means tell him to do it and if he dont then nick him. The more persistant he is about leaveing the hoter the nick gets. If your e collar has a rehastat switch you should be able to give him just enough to make him jump to what you told him to do with out over doing it.
The trick is to get to were you can give him enough that he doesn't want to risk it any more WITH OUT scareing him off the tree. So start out bumping gently and work your way up. If it is to much and back it off. BE SURE AND PRAISE HIM WHEN HE IS ON THE TREE. THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF CONTRAST BETWEEN WHEN HE IS DOING RIGHT AND WRONG.

Mine knows what the tone means, trust me. I dont want to have to nick him or shock him anywhere near the tree if possible so I use the tone first. When he hears it he knows there is a real chance of getting worse and he usually happily complies the first time without any juice. Not saying your way is wrong but Im saying mine aint wrong neither because it works for me. I can go as far to say that now, most of the time all I have to do is tell him to get on the wood and he listens.

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quote:
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No telling how many worthless dogs I could have made into world champions if only I had been a ninety-day-wonder with a shocking collar! Oh well!

Bluedog I have noticed that you have something to say, usually negative, every time somebody mentions using a shocker. If your techniques are that refined in using one maybe you should consider putting on a clinic.

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quote:
Originally posted by MidniteMadness
Mine knows what the tone means, trust me. I dont want to have to nick him or shock him anywhere near the tree if possible so I use the tone first. When he hears it he knows there is a real chance of getting worse and he usually happily complies the first time without any juice. Not saying your way is wrong but Im saying mine aint wrong neither because it works for me. I can go as far to say that now, most of the time all I have to do is tell him to get on the wood and he listens.

Well that is what it is all about. What ever works for the person doing it. I done my kids the same way. It drove my ex crazy but if they new better than what they were doing I would just wack them on the butt. She was a warning 2-3 times kind of gal. The kids wound up good kids and love us both. LOL

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quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Well that is what it is all about. What ever works for the person doing it. I done my kids the same way. It drove my ex crazy but if they new better than what they were doing I would just wack them on the butt. She was a warning 2-3 times kind of gal. The kids wound up good kids and love us both. LOL

I am always open to new and different ideas and like to share things that have worked for me BUT when training dogs I have found there are no set rules or ways in which to train one. If you have half as much sense as your dog you will usually be able to tell if what your doing is helping or hurting their training. If I think what I am doing is setting them back I stop and go with something else. The e collar has been a very useful tool to me. I in no way claim to be a master at using it but I can assure you that my hound is usually 100% more well behaved than most people that I hunt with. He may not be the best hunting hound but he will mind me and listen to me. To me that is half of having a good hound. One that will listen.

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quote:
Originally posted by MidniteMadness
I am always open to new and different ideas and like to share things that have worked for me BUT when training dogs I have found there are no set rules or ways in which to train one. If you have half as much sense as your dog you will usually be able to tell if what your doing is helping or hurting their training. If I think what I am doing is setting them back I stop and go with something else. The e collar has been a very useful tool to me. I in no way claim to be a master at using it but I can assure you that my hound is usually 100% more well behaved than most people that I hunt with. He may not be the best hunting hound but he will mind me and listen to me. To me that is half of having a good hound. One that will listen.

I would agree on every count. The people that can't train a dog is the ones that will tell you this is the only way to do it or my favorite"never do that". If you say that the very next dog you get to train it will take that to train it every time. LOL
Like saying my dog will never tree a possom. They will put one up that night every time. I am like you I like to visit and debate training tecniques. I have been around some of the best trainers in the country, learned a lot from them but wouldn't train just like any of them. For the ones I have been around it seems like the older they were the more closed minded they were. I hope I don't do that.

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thanks

i've done tried the shocker on a few trees, he just comes back to me when bumped. i'm going to try and tie him back on a few trees see if that helps.

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Re: thanks

quote:
Originally posted by nathan cooley
i've done tried the shocker on a few trees, he just comes back to me when bumped. i'm going to try and tie him back on a few trees see if that helps.

Cooley, you never did say if he is getting any coon, no coon or what. If he just comes back to you with the shocker then I would try tying him back. If he has been getting coons shot out to him I would shoot the coon out to Spot if that is who your hunting him with and dont let him even smell of it. Do that about 5 to 10 times and then hunt him as you normally would and see if it helps him any. If you can get to a tree after that and he stays I would give him plenty of attention at the tree. If he has not been getting any coons you might try to get him up on the tree if there is a coon up and get him going good then shoot it out to him. Do that a couple of times and see what he does. Sometimes it seems to take forever to get one to stick to the tree. I have a buddy with a little walker female the same way. She is starting to come around though.

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quote:
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Bluedog I have noticed that you have something to say, usually negative, every time somebody mentions using a shocker. If your techniques are that refined in using one maybe you should consider putting on a clinic.

MidnightDreamer...I think I have the answer! I would suggest that you and Okie Doke get together with a pair of Tazers..train the heck out of each other.. and leave the dog training to those more qualified.

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quote:
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Yea but with out modern day equipment you can just stay in the dark ages. I see you did adapt to the computer though.

I didn't just get introduced to computers and other modern-day equipment last year like you did. I have quite a few high-tech devises that I know how to use. Have been using e-collars and computers longer than you have been spouting off on the internet. How long have you been here now? About a year? In another week or two you'll be on here telling people the proper way use a Garmin. I have noticed it doesn't take you long to get with the program.

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Re: thanks

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Originally posted by nathan cooley
i've done tried the shocker on a few trees, he just comes back to me when bumped. i'm going to try and tie him back on a few trees see if that helps.

I think you're going to have to figure out what will work for you and go at it that way. Good luck to you with your dog.

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If the dog does not have the treeing gene in his body and brain you can give him a steak and a hotdog and shock him all you want , tie him back over the hill whatever, but he will never make a top cooner.

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