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ATTENTION INDIANA DEERHUNTERS!!!!

The DNR are proposing new regulations to try to reduce our state’s deer herd. It was stated in the local paper here that this would present deer hunters with new “opportunities” this season to harvest their deer. I personally am VERY upset with the proposed rule changes which are as follows:

1. A two day firearms season during October in which hunters are allowed to kill ONLY ANTLERLESS DEER

2. A second ANTLERLESS ONLY firearms season Dec. 25- Jan. 1

3. The muzzleloader season shortened from 16 to 9 days

4. The firearms season shortened from 16 days to 9 days, beginning on the Saturday before thanksgiving.

5. An urban hunting season running through Jan. 31 that requires hunters to kill an antler less deer before taking an antlered deer

6. Unspecified requirements to ground blind hunting.

My main concern that upsets me is the shortening of the firearms and muzzleloader season. In my 20 years of deer hunting in Indiana the rut is usually nearly or already over by Nov. 20th which would deny hard core gun hunters the chance to hunt during the first rut. Also, this season only includes 2 weekends, one being a holiday weekend in which most of us are traveling with family and unable to hunt. For the working man this upsets me, allowing me only 1 weekend to hunt with my shotgun! The antler less firearms seasons don’t really upset me, but I feel many nice bucks will be poached with shotguns during those days.
If the state is concerned about deer population growth, why not extend the firearms season a week and start it earlier in November, during the peak of the rut. That would allow many hunters the chance to experience hunting the rut and would increase deer harvest allowing a larger number of hunters into the woods for an extended period of time.
Please share your thoughts and contact the Indiana DNR to express your opinion, and check out the complete proposed regulation changes, www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/2362

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I like most of the rule changes, if passed. Indiana's deer regulations are too leaniant. Compare Indiana with other states. That's why Indiana isn't classified as a "big buck" state when it should.

The "earn a buck tag" should apply to all areas. I hunt in Randolph county where u only can take one doe. Which is stupid. Our doe to buck ratio is way out of wack. So I have to bring buddies to my spot to thin the does down, so the mature bucks have to fight and look for hot does.

And I think Muzzleloader season should come before firearm, like other states.

I personally hate firearm season. There is too many hunters that load up five slugs and blast away at anything that moves. A high percentage of what they shoot at is wounded and never found. I hunt a 1 1/2 mile square that boarders public land and I find 4 or 5 wounded deer, dead or alive, every firearm season. I call the DNR and nothing is done. And it not local hunters doing it, its weekend warriors, from surrounding counties, that dont care about the quality of the deer herd and havent scouted and worked all year to hunt bigger bucks.

On the other hand I dont like the firearm season in October. There is not reason a hunter cant shoot a doe during firearm or muzzleloader season. Or with a bow. Its going to send the big bucks into hiding earlier.

I think if firearm season was earier, there would be way too many young bucks killed. The average life expectancy of a buck in Indiana is 1 1/2 yr.

That is just how I feel about. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. Thats what makes it American.

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Sounds like they have ben talking to the Wisconsin DNR!!! Just wait till they get the idea to release WOLVES into your good deer hunting woods............I have not shot at deer in three years. DNR still thinks we have too many. I hunted every day of our regular 9 day season. I saw one 3 pt, one doe, four bear, and six wolves. What a mess! Now I heard there is a couger in the area. Not sure what it plans on eating but I'm sure its not the wolves. Thanks for letting me vent................Jon

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they did this last year in ILL. the dnr formed a DEER TASK FORCE..they went around and had public meeting to get the hunters input...after finding out that the hunters were against 90% of their proposals..they went ahead and made the changes anyway...based on data compiled from the insurance companies..they want deer numbers reduced so they don't have to pay so many claims on deer vehicle accidents..what better place to get your info than from an insurance co..ILL. don't even have a deer biologist..I personally thought less cars on the road would cause less accedents...but alas they didn't listen to me....

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Crap its doe days at my house from Sept eleven till Jan 31st!! The part that sucks is deer hunters dont want you running during the season!

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Anything that shortens deer season gets my vote. Deer hunting has done more to hurt the sport of hunting than PETA, HSUS and all the other anti-organizations put together.

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What I dont understand is that they want to reduce the deer herd, but they say over the last three years we have been having record deer harvest. It was up from 125,000 to 137,000 this last year. If they want to reduce the deer herd why are they shortening the season? It just dont make sense to me. If they claimed it was for quality deer management I might buy into that, but reducing the herd by shortening the firearms and muzzleloader season....what kind of sense does that make??!!

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Deer Hunting has hurt hunting more than PETA!????!!!!! Come on now, that aint right

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Tyler, I ave hunted the same county for 50 years, every bit of it private property. I have lost over half of it in the last 10 years and not to urbanization or housing which always gets the blame for loss of hunting ground. My 50 percent went down the drain because of deer hunters leasing and posting. I could live with staying out during deer season but deer hunters don't want nobody on the land ANYTIME. I have never lost one square inch to PETA, HSUS or any other anti-organization.
Sales of small gane hunting licenses decline every year. Why? Because of no place to hunt. And the reason there is no place to hunt is because all the huntng ground is being leashed and posted by deer hunters. They will be the death of sport hunting.

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I'm sorry to hear that. I coon hunt the same woods I deer hunt, and unless you have a dog that runs deer, hunting the woods wont hurt the deer hunting. I have seen deer bedded down in a woods when we dropped in and they would still be there when we left. I also killed my biggest deer the morning after I coon hunted that woods. Its not the sport that is hurting you, but mis-informed deer hunters. I can understand maybe staying out of the woods during the season, but year round is ridiculous.

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Though coon hunting comes first, I am also a pretty avid deer hunter. We don't have a severe overpopulation of deer in my area, we do have HEAVY hunting pressure so my views might be different than those in other areas, but my 2 cents worth....
#1=I sort of like the idea, but think in realty there will be a very small percent of hunters that wont drop a nice buck if it comes by.
#2=Killing does that are over a month pregnant just goes against the core of wildlife management to me. Those are the survivors of an already hard season-let them be!
#3=has my vote-firearms seasons are way too long in this state. Like someone else said that is why we are not a "big" buck state.
#4=halolula!! I love that 1st week of coon season before I have to worry about the deer hunters and getting the hounds in early, now we will have more time!! I believe 9 days is a plenty long firearms season. Though I do agree it puts us past the rut.
#5 and #6=no opinion.

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I coon hunt the same woods I deer hunt, and unless you have a dog that runs deer, hunting the woods wont hurt the deer hunting.......I've bowhunted for 34 season[don't shoot deer with a gun] and that statement is right on the money...in fact if you got a big buck that go's nocturnal on you, the best thing you can do is dump a dog in that woods and coonhunt it 3 or 4 nights...that buck will changes his pattern and you might get to see him when theres shooting light...I'v tried to tell some of these so called die hard bowhunters that...but they know everything there is to know..they think if a mouse farts in the woods it screws up their hunting ,when in fact THEY are screwing up their own hunting..sounds like the leasing is the problem...

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I'm sorry to hear that. I coon hunt the same woods I deer hunt, and unless you have a dog that runs deer, hunting the woods wont hurt the deer hunting. I have seen deer bedded down in a woods when we dropped in and they would still be there when we left. I also killed my biggest deer the morning after I coon hunted that woods. Its not the sport that is hurting you, but mis-informed deer hunters. I can understand maybe staying out of the woods during the season, but year round is ridiculous.

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Hey Jon I should come hunt with you!!!! I didn't hunt the last
day but hunted 73 hours of the other eight days and never saw
a deer! Didn't see any wolves either, but I imagine if the deer
aren't there they will be where there is a couple left trying to
finish them off!

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Here in my area .The rut is about over before Gun season comes in..I hunted just about everyday in deer seaon last year..Thats all the seasons..Bow-gun-muzzelloader and crossbow..I only seen one shooter buck and that was in early bow season..Most of the guys I know seen very few Bucks last year.Now these are very hard deer hunters.That usually take a real nice buck each year..Im for starting gun season a week early by adding a week..Leave everything else alone...I like the longer season it gives guys the chance to hunt that work everyday.They only get to hunt the weekends...Theres plenty of time to kill the does if they want to...Im not for taking many does at all.I have does I see just about day on our farm and plenty of bucks on our deer cams at night...Most of your mature bucks go to moving only at night as soon as season comes in...A few years ago the Number 6 th found dead Buck in Indiana was found just a 1/2 mile north from where I hunt..He was a very nice buck...I have even Bigger bucks on my deer cams.Just never see them in the daylight..LOL

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Thanks Jim. Hard core gun hunters haha. Make gun season longer and during the whole rut really 9 days is still to long. Want to hunt longer get a bow. Faster the part time hunters get out of the woods better off wel all be. Look at the length and time of the big buck states gun seasons. As far as coon hunting scaring the deer I have a 150 in 10 point to so how true that is but try telling that to a deer hunter.

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Tyler, I ave hunted the same county for 50 years, every bit of it private property. I have lost over half of it in the last 10 years and not to urbanization or housing which always gets the blame for loss of hunting ground. My 50 percent went down the drain because of deer hunters leasing and posting. I could live with staying out during deer season but deer hunters don't want nobody on the land ANYTIME. I have never lost one square inch to PETA, HSUS or any other anti-organization.
Sales of small gane hunting licenses decline every year. Why? Because of no place to hunt. And the reason there is no place to hunt is because all the huntng ground is being leashed and posted by deer hunters. They will be the death of sport hunting.

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I coon hunt the same land I deer hunt. It doesn't effect the deer. Too many deer hunters read every magazine and believe all the hype, or coon hunting is just a good excuse for not tagging out.

Thin some of thin does out and u will see the mature bucks during the day. A mature buck isn't going to travel or come out during the day, if there is hot does everywhere. I still see buck rutting during firearm season every year.

I agree last year was terrible, due to standing corn. I seen 18 different bucks during bow season. Once the lead started flying, only seen 3 the rest of the season. All the deer stayed in the standing corn.

I like the changes, but I see nothing wrong with the way things are now. Except there should be magazine plug requirement on shotguns. 3 slugs is plenty.

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Look at Ohio there season is after thanksgiving and is a week long and untill a few years ago you couldnt hunt on sunday. Iowas season doesnt come in untill dec. How many deer even get shot after opening weekend anyway. Now that I think about it I really hope Indaina is never considered a big buck state already have problems with deer hunter and outfitters the way it is now.

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I agree the 3 slug rule would not be bad, I rarely have more than that. I only need 1.

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Iowa really doesnt have a 2 week firearms season. We have a 5 day first season and a 9 day second season in the middle of December. You can not hunt both. As far as the Doe only season we've had it for a few years now and you dont hear of many poachers shooting the big bucks. We have a small little group that goes during doe only and shot the sh!t out of them or atleast try to.

I agree with Jim. Deer huntin will be the end of our sport. . People around here loose there minds starting in mid November.

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Tyler, I ave hunted the same county for 50 years, every bit of it private property. I have lost over half of it in the last 10 years and not to urbanization or housing which always gets the blame for loss of hunting ground. My 50 percent went down the drain because of deer hunters leasing and posting. I could live with staying out during deer season but deer hunters don't want nobody on the land ANYTIME. I have never lost one square inch to PETA, HSUS or any other anti-organization.
Sales of small gane hunting licenses decline every year. Why? Because of no place to hunt. And the reason there is no place to hunt is because all the huntng ground is being leashed and posted by deer hunters. They will be the death of sport hunting.

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Hmmm could it be just maybe the way you approach the deer hunters that lease the ground, judging by the attitudes shown i wouldnt let you hunt on my leases either, with that said your not going to win over every deer hunter

we do need to reduce the doe population, im glad they are looking at these approaches, the one buck rule was a good start to growing big bucks, now with these shortened seasons its even better. i personally think they need to hand out doe permits with every buck permit.

The DNR will never take the coonhunters serious, the deer hunters are the ones that bring in the big dollars. Now the other thing to think about is this, yes i want the DNR to do anything possible to help the hunters grow bigger bucks, but the bigger bucks we grow that will draw attention to indiana and you think its bad now about losing ground just wait.

Our dnr needs to model our seasons after iowa and illinois thats exactly how you grow big bucks.

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please don't let your state model anything from the ILL. dnr for they don't have a clue as what go's on with our deer herd ..they are totally motivated by money..we still don't have a deer biologist..if you look at they last 10 years of what the dnr has done in our state .you will see a fast plummet to the bottom of the barrel.....I'm not condemning the game wardens ,it's Springfield [aka little Chicago] that pass these crazy policies that warden 's have to go by..our dnr is in a sad sad sad, shape..they wont hire a deer biologist, but will spend 2 million bucks for a skate park in the middle of Chicago..this state in like 14 BILLION bucks in the hole..I quit keeping track of how far those crooked Chicago politicians has put this state in the hole...we have nice bucks because the hunters and property owners manage the herd themselves ,they have learned not to trust anything put out by the dnr.......

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