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plott dog fanciers...take time to check out the thread starting w/npha/clarity chime in w/ideas or comments...this is not a bitching session but i am trying to get some thing going before plott days for people to be thinking about and some changes possibly needed.....to make a beter org...u may not be a member yet but read anyway especially suggestions on color standard and the idea of getting all the plott people on the same page no what game u hunt or if u only show and let them hunt their bowl[not an insult but just to be funny] also threads are on npha website under grievences and complaints[figures]

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the only reason I will not join the npha is that they do not want to have buckskins registered when the breed was started with a buckskin, amongst the other brindles.

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the only reason I will not join the npha is that they do not want to have buckskins registered when the breed was started with a buckskin, amongst the other brindles.

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agree with a need to change color standard to allow buck skins.
the origional color included the buck skin. the only reason i have seen in excluding the buck skin was dale brangiburs coment that he did think the buck skin should be in the standard was that breeder were riding all over the country to breed buckskin to buckskin and then could not sell the pups. this problem will all be here when breeders raise pup that people do not want. i like a brendle dog. i feel that the buck skin put some color in our plotts.

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I agree, we should allow the buckskins registry thru dna verification, only dna because otherwise some people might be tempted to add other blood and single reg. as buckskin just to win some big hunts ( for example get ahead red 1/2 redbone 1/2 walker). Keep the plotts pure, but they need that buckskin color gene or else they'll eventually look like black labs. We will be at Plott days this year and if it actually comes up for vote to allow buckskins, our vote is yes. As branch said, 2 of the first plotts to set foot on American soil were buckskins.

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i am sure it will come to a vote but nothing can change til next year ...that is how it works ..at plott days will be discussed and will be put on next ballot for voting ...just my opinion of course but i feel we will see it happen. dna is think is the only discussion where there are differences i believe......that is why i suggested to go to "nationalplotthoundassociation.org" to see full discussions of these and other subjects.....my feelings are it is an unnecessary expense...single registration is not what i have suggested at all! to have dogs dna'd will mean all plotts will have to be dna'd in order for a solid color to be reg and how many plotts are dna'd at present[yes joe we know yours are] u shouldn't worry about someone sneaking in a buckskin from some cross just to win....i say if they are reg in other assoc now then let them be reg in ukc on those papers...if they are not reg now w/ another assoc then they can't ever be reg in ukc. people can now slip in a crossbred plott looking dog and be brindled so why the concern over a solid color or buckskin being slipped in...like i said before a crook will find ways around anything and i can explain how someone who is crooked could get around everybody's foolproof dnaing but no need to explain it here ; suffice it to say it is an expense not necessary

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to dna a dog is only $35 if u get a kit from ukc at one of the major hunts
;which are coon hunts, by the way[people do realize a lot of these dogs we are talking about belong to big game hunters who don't go anywhere near a coon hunt] ok.....say i breed two ukc reg plott dogs and out of the litter is born one black and one buckskin and 5 brindled.....in order to reg two off colored pups i have to go to major hunt where ukc is at [cost of expenses and fuel] in order to get discounted dna at $35...i have to dna both mother and father[$70]... dna two suspect pups[$70] now i have spent $140 in fees[discounted also] and expenses
my question is this, do u think most of the time this will happen or will this person just go on like before w/nothing getting accomplished i have already on other site stated that i know a long time plott fancier who will be done himself w/ukc if dna becomes mandatory....the dogs reg now w/other assoc i am sure if they are reg solid or buckskin i would venture to say they are plotts.........
one last thing ...i am so glad everyone but me knows exactly what is behind their dogs.....tell me though just for my curiosity's sake.....which one of your dog came from the buckskin one originally brought from germany and which of your dogs are related to the spotted plott i saw in an old plott book.....pure my butt! the one thing for sure about our beloved plotts are they didn't originate from eng foxhounds!!! and if u do know ancestry back to original four, what dogs were behind them over in europe to create them?

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When you look at it like that (140.00), the dna thing dont look good. Pretty much one of them 2 pups sale fee went for testing. After food, shots, ect. you're not making much anyway and half the people that call about your pups are tire kickers that expect you to give them a pup for nothin.Hopefully this post will bring about some change, but this has been talked about before. Not trying to say plotts are pure, but I definately don't want to see a bunch of treeing walker blood added just to win a plastic trophy or a money hunt like is being done in other breeds.

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if people really think about it they don't have to worry about that because if it was going to be done it already would have because it is not hard to get a plott looking dog out w/brindle because brindle is a dominate trait....there are not that many serious competition hunters to worry about in the breed and bringing in the buckskin is not going to change that

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I agree Mike, I saw a bluetick plott cross once that threw 2 brindles, looked sure enough like plotts. And you're right, theres not many comp hunters , myself included. Just never got into them much, and the last one I was in I ran a real nice ntch blue female for a friend of mine and got screwed over. Enough of my ramblin, I gotta go hunting.....

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I have been breeding my Plotts long enough that all the dogs on the papers are mine or either a few select friends dogs. I have never joined the NPHA too because of the stand on breeding buckskins. My dogs got so black one time that you had to hold them in a perfect light just to see a hint of brindle. Then I introduce the blood of a friends dog that threw buckskin and maltese. I still get mostly black brindles and maltese with the occasional buckskin. I dont sell my dogs so I am not worried about dealing with tire kickers and such. My dogs are big game only. Putting one on a coon would be sacriledge to me. As far as DNA to registered one I will be against that as well. If someone wants to question the validty of my dogs parentage let them pay the DNA fees! I have nothing to hide. The buckskins are part of the breed whether people like it or not. Without buckskin there will be no brindle one day. I would be plum tickled if I got a merle one day. But I think that got buried under the brindle years ago. I will happily become a member if the color requirements get changed to what they should be. Til then I will just keep breeding my dogs as I have for thirty years and know the purity for myself.

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I get nothing but compliments on my good looking Plott.

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psisksir no one is insulting your intelligence on the background of your dogs....but do u know which one of the dogs originally brought over from germany your dogs go back to......see i was making a point about this color thing and why it needs to be changed...saying buckskin should not be there is like english people saying they wouldn't have a walker when hard time speck[single reg eng, once a grnite walker] is in a lot of their pedigrees....just like the buckskin that came over on the boat is in somebody's pedigree now......not saying u should or shouldn't join npha but we need all the support to get this color thing changed, and could really use your support and anybody else's support to get it changed...people say it won't be done, never has and never will but i say it can and will be done but it will take all the votes we can muster....and no i am not on the board of directors or any kind of officer in the npha just trying to get your money....never have been and not campaigning for any....but like i have told others never say never as far as this color change happening!

ilyle....your dog is saddleback with brindle trim....registered all day long...by the way do u know a guy by the name of eric russel from missouri?

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People realy do compliment me on my "Good looking Plott".
I was joking around posting his pic. He is actually half Leopard Hound (almost black) and 1/2 (staw colored) Kemmer Cur.

I hope nobody is offended!

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the answer to your question about which of those german dogs my plotts go back to is....after all these years they should have each one in their pedigrees... any other questions smart *^(. Do to probability and how line bred these dogs are after 50 or so years each one should have contributedto the breed.

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i.lyle...i don't think anybody got offended and i have seen some plott dogs ukc reg that look very similar and no body's asking for dna on them.

branch 505..are u the same person as psiskir because that is who i was talking to but that is ok either way but the picture of the cur is a prime example of what i was talking about because i have seen plotts like this and ukc reg yet a solid color plott is not supposed to be reg even though they were in the orig ones brought here....i am sure u have ideas on possibly how to reslove this issue because otherwise u wouldn't have taken offense about your pure line of plotts....but thanks for the compliment but i was not trying to be a smart#^* or whatever those symbols mean ....i did not realize i was getting that good at it...wait til i tell my mother/ she will be so proud....seriously though i am on here not to insult anybody's intelligence or their integrity unless they believe the buckskin should not be in the plott breed, then they can BITE ME! my thoughts are dnaing is an unecessary expense....oh on a side note; i am sure u know what dogs went to the makeup of the plott dogs that were first brought over here ...also u know for sure there is no leopard spotted bear dogs from georgia in your bloodline is there?[now that was being a smart#^*$ or whatever] just wanting to hear other peoples ideas and input on how to finally resolve some issues and bring all the plott lovers more together.

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to everybody concerned....we can all have fun w/ these issues; we can bitch, p, & moan and that fine but somewhere in there let's put in some ideas of what we want and work on those things...and as larry says "GET ER DONE"

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i do not understand all the jumping up and down about how pure the plott blood. the drum dog looked more like a brindle blood hound than any thing else.
a frind of mine breed his half sister female to one of the sire's of
one of the sires on the current produrces list. he got a buckskin, a b & t that you could that he had any brindle until you got with in five feet. the other were vairious shades of brindle.
i hunted with mr. von poltt when was working with the river forest mannor in the late 50 ts. all his dogs and dogs of the real bear hunter, paul emmit were all average size hounds and all brindle.

one summer my dad and family went to see mr. von. he was breeding a wemirer to get blue plotts for sale to the ladies in fl.
the world champion plott had more white on him than when i bred a reg. walker to my reg plott.

enough of my rambling' breed dogs that do their job.

i would like to see single reg. so when i beed a female i will know what dogs are behind the stud. let me decide if i want to breed to a single reg dog. realy does not matter if they are good dogs.

a lot of the bear hunters in eastern sarolina have their own strain of mixed breed dogs that are not reg. and do the job like should be done.

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e.t.sawyerjr.....single reg of plotts, i don't think this is being discussed....even hough the other breed reg have done it and w/some success i believe[a perfect example is in the english breed i already mentioned] i am not even suggesting it but reg into ukc plott dogs already reg in another association...and w/o dna-ing them......if u or anybody else wants to cross breed they will not be reg....but u can still hunt them w/o being reg;u already mentioned about bear hunters...that is fine if that is what u want[sidenotekc does recognize crossbreeds as a breed into itself if u want one reg, it can only be done there but even then both parents have to be reg in pkc....there is no more single reg in pkc!

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