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I got a walker that i can turn loose and she can run and tree her own coon and do a very nice job but any time i drop her with other dogs she becomes a very bad me too dog. is there any way to fix this?

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Give her ALOT of time in the woods ALONE.

If that doesn't work you could go the man made way! Put a shocker on her and as soon as she covers another dog light her up! I would stay away from the shocker if at all possible. I would just run in there and switch her off the tree and send her on. It may take weeks of doing this but it will eventually solve youre problem, either it will or it will make her not want to tree. It's a gamble.

Hope one of these three things work.

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Hunt her alone as has been said. Good luck to ya!

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IMO it is easier to find a dog that does what you want naturally, then make the one you happen to have do what you want it to by fighting instinct through force. There are things that you can work on and correct, but to beat or punish a dog for covering kinda crosses the line FOR ME. It may be no issue to others at all.
Unless it was just an amazing dog that you felt had qualities you just couldn't replace I would not try to fight the dogs instinct. It isn't that hard to find a nice independent dog these days as people breed for it. There are plenty of dogs that WANT to be alone.

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Ron, I have one in my back yard right now that was man made. He trees coon nearly every time you turn him loose, he runs a good track with good voice has a beautiful locate and is deadly accurate.

He will never be bred, me making him the way I wanted him to be is what I call "training".

If you have a 9 year old son that has never played baseball before do you just throw him out there to learn for himself (some parents do and 9 out of 10 of these boys will never be any good) or do you work with him and show him how its done?

I view training coon dogs the same way, I SHOW them the way I want it done, weather that means praising them when they do good or disciplining them when they screw up.

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CWS:

I think what you do is fine and I have no problem with it. All dogs are trained to some degree. I am sure it is many dogs instinct to run off game and we as trainers break them. I am also sure that there are some of these dogs that prefer coon and only need a little curbing to get them on track. Others you would near have to kill to get them to stop.

I guess it would all depend on how much I was going to have to do to man make an independent dog. If I have to spend 6 months beating the life out of a dog for covering I simply don't have the stomach for it. I would rather just sell the dog to someone that doesn't mind that and seek out a dog that likes to be independent rather than me making him so. Every person has a different approach to getting what they want.

In your example of the boy it would be like if I had a boy that liked baseball and everytime he played I would beat him because I want him to play football instead. I myself wouldn't do that, maybe you could. The difference is kids aren't dogs and I can't trade my child for one that does what I like. Dogs I can. To each his own though, just my thoughts.

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Wise words Ron.

For this fella here, sounds like he has a decent female that can tree a coon by herself. All that needs to be corrected is to get her to understand those dogs do not help her tree a coon.

If hunting her alone for a month or so doesn't solve the problem, there's another option, the man made version. I wouldn't beat on a dog for more then a month Ron, no matter how bad it was. If I see huge potential in a dog I will do my best to bring it out at all cost.

I don't guess beat is the right word either, I don't like seeing anything beat! There is a HUGE difference in correcting a child rather then beating them, dogs are no different. Beating a dog is not required to get them to understand what they are doing is wrong.

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It comes naturally with the really good athletes too!

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Bluedogman......ABSOLUTELY!!! I used to be involved in a sport that was nearly entirely based on genetic predisposition. At the end of the day the athelete with superior genetics would work half as hard and still be better than the less genetic superior better trained athlete. In athletics today it seems that people are combining superior genetics AND great training. The less superior specimens don't stand a chance.

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Absolutely!

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When she "me toos" does she get most of the first trees? If so you have a good dog. If not you have a pretty sorry dog and the only way you can cover that up is for her to get by herself.

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If that doesn't work you could go the man made way! Put a shocker on her and as soon as she covers another dog light her up! I would stay away from the shocker if at all possible. I would just run in there and switch her off the tree and send her on. It may take weeks of doing this but it will eventually solve youre problem, either it will or it will make her not want to tree. It's a gamble.

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l.lyle ~ if a dog is me-tooing, how would it have first tree......

stokes08 ~ people can train dogs just fine maybe not to your standards but it is not your dog....

take her hunting alone, shoot her some coon. next time bring a dog and leave it at the truck with someone. when she trees get to her, don't leash her. have the other person get the dog at the truck to bark, if she leaves her tree, catch her, "do what you gotta do" to her and get her back on her tree. or if the others dogs tree and she covers them don't pet her up or nothing tie her aways back and don't acknowledge her at all, maybe reward the others dogs and send her on her way alone...? just a thought. good luck with her!

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He said she runs and trees her own track, nothing about leaving a tree and all that. She can get first tree by not having a track and when she hears the first dog open beats a blue streak to it and then says metoo ,Ithink that's a coon. Then she proceeds to take that track and beat the other dogs to the tree.
Ofcourse, it a dog ain't good enough to be able to do that then it needs to be trained get by itself so it can play with itself.
Seems like deafening one would be simpler than all that beating.

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when you hunt her with another dog is the other dog out striking her and she is getting with the dog? you didnt say much about what she is doing you just said she is me tooing. to me if the other dog out strikes her and she gets in and goes with him and can strike and tree her own coon alone i wouldnt call that me tooing. hunt her with a trashy dog and see if she gets in with the dog. if she trees does she leave the tree to go to dog that is running? if she is getting out struck and going to the dog that is struck you get to doing to much correcting of that you may make her leave the county when another dog strikes.

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Your dog will be fine. I have had several like this. Just give her 1-2 months of hunting by herself and she should be fine.

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And in the mean time many dogs are ruined each year trying to whip them into being independent. I WILL NOT deafen a dog to make it independent!!!! I might try ear plugs though.

Hunt the dog alone for a while and then see how she does in company.

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I was being facetious about deafening one. I have a 10 month old pup born deaf. Actually its my girlfriends but I'm feeding it.Haven't even thought of trying to train it. Maybe I should if that's the type so many like. Lol.

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Some people will rupture the ear drums to make a dog independent.I don't beleive in it, also was not accusing you of it.

Try hunting the pup, you will need to use a cage coon or soforth to start with, the bedding a coon sleeps on would be execelent. You should also teach the pup to come to you at a vibration from a collar if available. If it makes a good dog it sure won't pull to another!

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I hunt this female quite regularily cause she is sitting in my yard... she gets struck most of the time first and will tree her own coon but will leave her tree that she is on to cover another dog that is trailing and about to tree. we have been hunting her alone and she gets treed alone but if there is another dog with her she is completely different. does nothing but have "Big Ears" as people say. i have heard of the trick of having a dog at the box barking and keep her at her tree. i guess we'll try different tactics.

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I hunt this female quite regularily cause she is sitting in my yard... she gets struck most of the time first and will tree her own coon but will leave her tree that she is on to cover another dog that is trailing and about to tree. we have been hunting her alone and she gets treed alone but if there is another dog with her she is completely different. does nothing but have "Big Ears" as people say. i have heard of the trick of having a dog at the box barking and keep her at her tree. i guess we'll try different tactics.

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I got a walker that i can turn loose and she can run and tree her own coon and do a very nice job but any time i drop her with other dogs she becomes a very bad me too dog. is there any way to fix this?

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