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Ok it was a four dog cast and one dog wouldn’t tree with the rest and ended up treed on the other side of a lake which was only a couple hundred yards from us but well over a mile either way to get around to the dog. So the handler called time out to go get his dog and was told if he used his truck to drive around the tree couldn’t be scored. Because of the heat he was more worried about getting to his dog as fast as possible and drove around. Well it took him two hours and was scratched. Does the one hour time out apply to dogs treed that take more than 15 mins to get to? Couldn’t he have made the whole cast swim across the lake to score the tree. What would you guys have done?

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he can call time out and drive and still score his tree

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what were the other three dogs doing when time was called?

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you can use your truck to drive to the hounds on an occasion like this. The tree should have been scored and he should have continued to hunt. And no one should have swam the lake.

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6j you got 1 hr

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IF his dog was treed before calling timeout then the tree must be scored unless the cast would be put into danger. In this case the guide should have took control and said here's how we can get to him WITHOUT the need to swim lol. Driving is allowed in this kind of situation.

Cast members are not at anytime required to swim to score a tree.

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Not enough information. If it was a split tree situation which required 15 minutes to travel between trees time out could have been called and the cast travel by whatever means required to score the tree. Otherwise timeout should not have been called. Either way if the dog was treed it is the casts reponsibility to go to that dog and score his tree. Just because it is inconvenient to go to a dog isnt a legetimate reason to call timeout

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CWS and Mr Duemmer have covered it very well. There's your answer.

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His dog was treed before the time out and the other dogs had already treed and been scored. Thanks guys it wasn’t my dog but I thought that it could have been handled differently.

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Not enough information. If it was a split tree situation which required 15 minutes to travel between trees time out could have been called and the cast travel by whatever means required to score the tree. Otherwise timeout should not have been called. Either way if the dog was treed it is the casts reponsibility to go to that dog and score his tree. Just because it is inconvenient to go to a dog isnt a legetimate reason to call timeout

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just 1 more ??? if you could score half the tree on this side
why walk to the other side to score that half?

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just 1 more ??? if you could score half the tree on this side
why walk to the other side to score that half?

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dont want hear say give me a rule.that kind of like the lake
nobody knows how deep it is.we hunt swamps all the time.

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how many trees your dog on you only wanna look at half of its common since handle dogs then shine tree that way maybe you can shine it all... at the very least you did correct procedure

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I’m kind of confused where the size of the lake comes into play but it was over 100 yards across and I don’t know how deep the dog was on the other side. The lake the dog swam across wasn’t huge in size but lead into 100 acre lake on one side and swamps and small lakes on the other making driving to the other side the only way to get to the dog. In this situation 8(h) should apply right. Would 6(j) still apply or is this not considered delaying the cast. As far as driving to score the tree I can’t find anything in the rule book about it I could see it not being allowed but would like to see the rule if anybody knows it.

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Eric, 6(j) applies anytime you call timeout, no exceptions. When time is called, any dog not at the meeting place within one hour is scratched. No exceptions that I know of.
There is nothing in the rule book that mentions driving to the tree. The Advisor DOES state that driving to the tree IS allowed. You do not call timeout. You are not suppose to call timeout to score a tree. 6(k).
The size of the lake is irrelevant. The dog was treed before timeout was called and must be scored WITH THE CLOCK RUNNING. If that uses up the rest of the hunt time getting to the dog, then that is your hunt.

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What about the 15 minute rule? Couldn't that be used in this situation since "all dogs treed" is technically ony his dog. I was alway under the impression that anytime more then 15 minutes was going to be used walking to a dogs tree time out could be called if all dogs were handled or treed then once at the tree time out is canned back in for the duration of the shine time.

Am I wrong?

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nope cws you are correct.. and it should be applied in this situation.

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Eric, 6(j) applies anytime you call timeout, no exceptions. When time is called, any dog not at the meeting place within one hour is scratched. No exceptions that I know of.
There is nothing in the rule book that mentions driving to the tree. The Advisor DOES state that driving to the tree IS allowed. You do not call timeout. You are not suppose to call timeout to score a tree. 6(k).
The size of the lake is irrelevant. The dog was treed before timeout was called and must be scored WITH THE CLOCK RUNNING. If that uses up the rest of the hunt time getting to the dog, then that is your hunt.

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In this case all dogs were considered "treed" since the other ones were still on the lead from the prevously scored tree.

So they were split, thus you could call time out to go between trees and you could drive around.

Then all dogs should be led to the tree, and time should be back in if the dog gets caught by the 2 or leaves the tree. If neither of those happens then you call time in to shine the tree and either turn all dogs loose from that tree or go find new ground to hunt whichever you need to do.

If there wouldn't have been a split tree situation then you would have just had to drive around and NOT call time out because you don't call time out just to go to a tree. That is part of the hunt. Time out is only to be called if it is going to take 15 minutes BETWEEN SPLIT TREES.

This was technically a split tree situation if I read it right.

Also there would be NO one hour in this situation because you are going to score a tree on the cast. All dogs have to remain with the cast because you may call time in any time if the dog goes off tree or the 2 gets him so they have to be ready to be turned loose. Therefore you are not delaying the cast, you are actually scoring a tree during the hunt. The time out is only to go between split trees. For example, if you called time out to walk between two split trees in the same block and it took 1.5 hours nobody is scratched, that's just part of hunting.

Now if the dog was NOT eligible for scoring then the 1 hour time limit would be in effect. It is not in effect when you are completing the cast because that dog is still part of the cast when he is treed during hunt time.

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what rules did you use Rip?

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Rip I agree that the one hour does not come into play in a situation where you are traveling to score a tree. Jim made reference to the 1 hour and i was about to disagree with him which i seldom do.

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what rules did you use Rip?

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Well said.

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Go back and read the first post again fellas. They did not call timeout to score a tree, they called timeout so he could go get his dog. In that instance the 1 hour rule applies.

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