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Anybody can handle the dog during timeout.

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no he can not unless the whole cast agrees upon it.Timeout can,t be called until the tree is scored. This is clearly a judgement call. It's only a hunt if the dog declared treed is their and is clearly seen, what does it matter he or she's backup handler handles the dog? We need to just get along at these hunts and don't sweat the small stuff.

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yes a back up handler can leash your dog for you & lead your dog for you. i called about this when i had my shoulder operated on & ukc said no problem. i called the dog i shined the tree's. all he did was handle my dog.

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Mark V.
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How about UKC word on this?

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you need to call ukc on this. If you enter the dog it is your reponsibility to call, and handle your own dog. A back up handler is only their for an emergency. Then only , you relinquish the hunt to your back up handler. Some interpret this wrong.

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What does it matter who ties and leads the dog as long as the same person calls the dog every drop. By handler and back-up handler, I think it is meaning the calling of the dog. If you want your little boy or girl or wife or cousin or best friend to tie and lead your dog during a hunt, I don't care. Hey, here is my lead, when we get to the tree tie mine if you don't care, and if your lucky I may let you lead it out for me, too.

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Originally posted by Daniel Fitzko
you need to call ukc on this. If you enter the dog it is your reponsibility to call, and handle your own dog. A back up handler is only their for an emergency. Then only , you relinquish the hunt to your back up handler. Some interpret this wrong.

UKC says the person doing the calling of the dog is the handler. Anyone can lead and tie the dog, anytime.

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END OF STORY IF THAT IS WHAT UKC SAYS MAYBE ALLEN WILL SEE THIS THREAD AND CONFIRM THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT ANYONE CAN LEAD AND CHAIN YOUR DOG AT THE TREE,WHICH HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH WINNING OR LOSING A HUNT.

It sounds like a ruling is needed. If not somebody is going to scratch another for letting their kid lead the dog out of the woods. Won't happen on a cast I'm on but I am sure somebody has tried it. People need to worry more about what is on the end of their lead then who is leading out what they would like to have on the end of their lead.

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Anybody can tie the dog or lead it or load or unload it from the truck.

To answer your question about the difference between a back-up handler or a spectator....there isn't one really. You are allowed to take two people with you and you can call them back-up handler or spectator or whatever. Either one would be eligible to tie the dog at the tree or lead it.

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I can not believe that 2 guys can handle 1 dog? I don't really have a problem with this personaly but how far will this go? I will set in the truck and call the dog by my radio. This is using 2 peoples body and mind against one. Why can't we use ATV for those who can't keep up! Handling dog are the same no matter how you get there as long as wait the 5 min.

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I can not believe that 2 guys can handle 1 dog? I don't really have a problem with this personaly but how far will this go? I will set in the truck and call the dog by my radio. This is using 2 peoples body and mind against one. Why can't we use ATV for those who can't keep up! Handling dog are the same no matter how you get there as long as wait the 5 min.

You have got to be kidding me. Have you ever handed your leash to another to hold your dog while crossing a fence or helping it up a steep bank? I think you would have to reack way out there to whine about some body LEADING another mans dog for him...........I guess they shoul change the wording to calling unstead of handleing to help keep the whineing down. Go sportsmanship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For the record if a man is in a wheel chair and wants to hunt Federal Law would let him call his dog by radio from the truck or he could use any means to get to the tree and you would have to wait for him to arive.
If there is any in a wheel chair that wants to go they are welcome in any hunt I am in and I will help them get to the tree.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mark V.
I can not believe that 2 guys can handle 1 dog? I don't really have a problem with this personaly but how far will this go? I will set in the truck and call the dog by my radio. This is using 2 peoples body and mind against one. Why can't we use ATV for those who can't keep up! Handling dog are the same no matter how you get there as long as wait the 5 min.

I agree with Okie. You are reaching way out there. The part you are not understanding is that the person calling the dog is with the dog the whole time. He does not call the dog then allow another person to go shine the tree and lead the dog out. The calling duties and shining duties and voting duties are still under one person. The question was, is it ok for another person to snap and lead your dog back to the truck, or away from the tree, etc.... It is not two guys/gals calling one dog.

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I'm to the point where I could sure stand to use this rule allowing someone else to physically handle my dog for me. The problem is finding someone fool enough to take the job.

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I'm to the point where I could sure stand to use this rule allowing someone else to physically handle my dog for me. The problem is finding someone fool enough to take the job.

You ever make it down to Arkansas and and I'll sure do it for you Jim.

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You got that right Jim the other nite i had my brother handling my dog for me and after the 1st drop he turned her over to me as i was the back up handler and he is in as bad of health as i am so together we made it through the hunt.
What a person needs is one of those young Bucks that will keep his mouth shut and light off and can lead and leash your dog and not be a bigger problem than the dog is.LOL.

That would be a good opportunity for a young man to learn the rules and build handleing skills too.......If you could find one serious about wanting to become a comp. dog handler.

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FYI.....I'm in the process of editing the old Advisor to determine what will transfer over to be used in the new Advisor. Verification of the answer above can be found on page 154 of the old Advisor.

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Anybody can tie the dog or lead it or load or unload it from the truck.

To answer your question about the difference between a back-up handler or a spectator....there isn't one really. You are allowed to take two people with you and you can call them back-up handler or spectator or whatever. Either one would be eligible to tie the dog at the tree or lead it.

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FYI.....I'm in the process of editing the old Advisor to determine what will transfer over to be used in the new Advisor. Verification of the answer above can be found on page 154 of the old Advisor.

I've been going to these hunts for a long time, and I was always of the opinion that, according to the information under *1. under UKC Nite Hunt Honor Rules, that there was no mention of two people handling one dog. Now if UKC says two people can handle one dog, it changes my opinion. Personally, I am sixty-three years old, I thought that was what the "Senior Casts" were for, to afford the older handlers a place to compete. I realize they aren't allowed in RQE's or the world hunt, but they could be. My biggest question is: the handling and leading of the dog would be the least of my worries, if I was competing in a cast. Some of the terrain we hunt is tough on man and beast; if you can't lead you dog, how you gonna make it through some of the underbrush, and up and down steep creeks and canyons? If your only concern is leading the dog, take a half-hitch on his flank and I guarantee he won't be pulling or jerking you. JMO, thanks, Tom

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What differance does it make who holds the leash as long as the handler calls the dog and the other guy keeps his mouth shut and light down?

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Grady, it probably doesn't make any difference, but if you read the rules, without clarifacation, they say," one handler to each dog". In thirty-five years this is the first time I have seen that two handlers was acceptable. It's just new to me, that's all. Tom

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Yea they talked about that in the first part of this thread and it came down to the definition of handler. That is what you get for being so dang old and knowing the rules. See it is all new to me. LOL
I finaly got a coon to show to my pup. I will let you know how it goes.......

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