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I've got a pretty nice dog here that is 3yrs old that will split tree a cast to death and tries hard to have a coon in most of his trees. I've seen him take a track away from dogs and be finished before they can settle in. When he is on he is going to be a cast winning dude.

My question comes from nights that it seems like later in the night of a long hunt and on a snow or heavy frost he will work and work a track but just can't seem to line it out very often. Tonight I didn't turn out until after midnight and I had the same kind of night it just seemed like he was grabbing tracks he couldn't handle. Is a dogs nose just what it's going to be or can it get better with more exposure to old tracks and cold frosty nights?

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I think they can and will learn to work colder tracks with age and experience if a person is willing to let them work them out and they have the determination to do it.

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Bluedogman..Well said.And they also have to have ancestor's breed into them,that have coldnose's.takecare theo

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i would think at three years old, the ability is all ready there..you may just have to settle for what you have..some dogs have the desire to work a cold track, but do not have the ability to move it out..i call it, more nose then brains..

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I forgot to also say..Even cold nose dogs dont finish every cold track they start.you got to understand stand..When there's frost and snow on the ground,those conditions for tracking arent the best for dogs.I have Bluetick that has a real cold nose,And a hell of a track dog.And occasionally he'll have a hard time lining out a cold track.i had a Blue female Who had one of the coldest nose's around and was one of the best track dogs around,and she occasionally would not be able to finish a cold one.not too many though.Can count on one hand how many she could'nt finish.so for a young hound who's devoloping a coldnose,will most likely have a hard time lining the track out,in those conditions.You just got to keep letting him work those old stinkers out and hope he's accurate when he tree's.I take it you have a walker?Do any of his relative's have coldnose's?

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i think coldnosed dogs have really want a coon to cold track jmo.

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i think coldnosed dogs have really want a coon to cold track jmo.

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I've heard some say that a dog quits learning new things at 4 years old, they say you can't teach a old dog new tricks. Is their a stage in a dogs life that it can happen.

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Believe it or not But..dogs can still learn new things weither there 5 years old or 10 years old..let me explain..The mother too my Bluetick came over to Massachusetts from Ohio when she was 6.she learned how to road hunt,And also Rigging from the truck from my friends dog!!!.takecare theo

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learns and can be tought things till the day the dog dyes just like you and i we learn every day of ower lives long as we are willing to learn.but a good cold nose dog is eather got it or it dont but it will get better every night you hunt it.it will learn how to use its nose and fly with a cold track just like its tyed to it whill the other dogs are trying to figer out witch way it went the good ones will have the meat.YOU CAN TEACH ANEY OLD DOG NEW TRICKS that is just a old wise tall .david boggs

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couldnt u hunt them in like early morning at like 4-5 and the will help there cold nose ability? i think it would because the coons have moved everywhere during the nitght so the track will be longer/colder for them to track... correct me if im wrong....

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i usuley hunt all night when i hunt,a dog has eather got it or it just dont plain and simpel.wat i ment by teaching old dogs tricks was like get the lead for you or get your pop out of frig for you or to bring your shoes to you things like that.when it comes to a dogs nose they are born with it you just got to hunt and train them is all.i dont think they are nothing you can do to make a cold nose dog its got to be born that way and these days it is hard to find a GOOD TRACK DOG most lines have to much tree bread in them,hope this makes cence to you and that you can read my bad writting.david boggs

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Oh yes, the dog has to have it in him to begin with -- but yes they do have to be allowed to develop that inborn ability if you want a dog to finish his bad track instead of looking for a hot one to tree. You have to let him work it to the end. Now if you were competition hunting you wouldn't want that to be developed. This is two different games we are discussing here.

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Theo...you ever hear of Mountain Music Blue and Mountain Music Blue blaze? LOL

I don't remember who wrote the story of hunting with those dogs, but I remember it being said that the dogs treed one up a snag in swimming water one night and none of the other dogs could stay there because of having to swim under the snag. They gave out! But ol' Blue hooked a leg over a limb and stayed all night as a recall the story. Now that is a COON DOG!

I have an old pedgree that shows 'Blue Blaze' in it I believe. As I recall Blue and Blaze were littermate brothers and both oustanding coon dogs.

Of course my dogs of today are shorter of ear and more streamlined in body and don't compare to those old dogs... but they still have a good nose and stay treed forever... something I like in a dog.

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couldnt u hunt them in like early morning at like 4-5 and the will help there cold nose ability? i think it would because the coons have moved everywhere during the nitght so the track will be longer/colder for them to track... correct me if im wrong....

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What people need to understand is that they also have to have it born into them threw ancestors,and also dogs that are born with it,some of them wont devolop a cold nose till there almost finished coondogs,or even older!!.My old female that i was talking about yesterday morning had one of the coldest nose's around.she did'nt develop a cold nose till she was Finished.Almost four years old!!.when she was 2 1/2 almost three years of age,when i use to run her with my good friends Bluedog who was 5 at the time who was a well balanced coondog with a super cold nose,On a few occasions when we ran just the two of them,I said to charlie..Why is'nt she opening with Him on that track????Clyde Sr. was'nt running trash..He was one of the straightest dogs in new England.So any ways..charlie said to me..She cant smell it theo!...She cant smell cause she has'nt got that kind of nose yet!!!As old clyde warmed it up she would start open on a little.just like when young dogs begin to start at different age's,the same applies to cold nose's folks.takecare theo

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I think i may of heard of them bluedogs???not really sure?That would be someting i'll ask my friend about.Just curious what breeding do them dogs go back to?A dog that can stay treed in water with the meat..ohhh ya thats a coondog...period.We all know most of the hounds of today dont copare to the hounds of the past.But as you said as long as they have nose power,ability to stay treed,accuracy,and heart,stamina,and lots of deterimanation,and of course head smarts..then there good coondogs.takecare theo

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I think i may of heard of them bluedogs???not really sure?That would be someting i'll ask my friend about.Just curious what breeding do them dogs go back to?A dog that can stay treed in water with the meat..ohhh ya thats a coondog...period.We all know most of the hounds of today dont copare to the hounds of the past.But as you said as long as they have nose power,ability to stay treed,accuracy,and heart,stamina,and lots of deterimanation,and of course head smarts..then there good coondogs.takecare theo

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OK you'll find out if you ask I'm sure. You are just a youngster then I presume! You talk like an old timer!

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Ya if you dont mind,let me know bout Blaze and blue's breeding?like i said i've probably heard of them before?.Yes i'm young.I'm 27.I've been coonhunting for 11 years now.I've been very fortunate and blessed to learn the rights of coonhunting from my good dear friend charlie Payne!.Its a miracle he took me under his arm,and teached me everything bout coonhunting.teached me what coonhunting is all about.just like the old days.coonhunting the old way,not the modern way.Meaning having a good coondog,and treeing coons on a regular Basiss's!!!!!

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Ya if you dont mind,let me know bout Blaze and blue's breeding?like i said i've probably heard of them before?.Yes i'm young.I'm 27.I've been coonhunting for 11 years now.I've been very fortunate and blessed to learn the rights of coonhunting from my good dear friend charlie Payne!.Its a miracle he took me under his arm,and teached me everything bout coonhunting.teached me what coonhunting is all about.just like the old days.coonhunting the old way,not the modern way.Meaning having a good coondog,and treeing coons on a regular Basiss's!!!!!

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Another thing to keep in mind is not to mistake a cold nosed dog with a dog that cant run a track. Ive seen dogs "grub" a track to death and someone always says "thats a bad track". Not always so.

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Another thing to keep in mind is not to mistake a cold nosed dog with a dog that cant run a track. Ive seen dogs "grub" a track to death and someone always says "thats a bad track". Not always so.

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In my opinion,Cold nose is a genetic trait, like rigging, in general. Cold nose will show itself usually by two or sooner. Then to have the patience, brains, and desire to work out the track, if the dog can smell it but cant move it, that is a fault, to deal with. the game is also a factor, I dont hunt coon, but my opinion is based on bear. In snow for cats, three seems to be the age. I've jumped cats, my cold trailer,couldnt smell well, but he cheated, by following the track by eyesight, until there was more scent, it worked unless he got in deer before scent, )))lol. I think many answers here. LOL

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Oh yes, you have that too but the difference is easily seen.

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